Rev-built MS3 cut off at 4k
02-13-2015, 02:17 PM
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Rev-built MS3 cut off at 4k
Guys,
Just installed my MS3, went for a test drive and i am hitting what feels like like a fuel/rev limiter cut off at 4000 rpms. I am using Rev's supplied base map, I'm still N/A until I feel comfortable with it. I don't have any real experience with tunerstudio yet, attached is a log. please advice
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Dan
Just installed my MS3, went for a test drive and i am hitting what feels like like a fuel/rev limiter cut off at 4000 rpms. I am using Rev's supplied base map, I'm still N/A until I feel comfortable with it. I don't have any real experience with tunerstudio yet, attached is a log. please advice
Thanks,
Dan
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02-13-2015, 03:46 PM
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thanks for the replies, was driving around trying to figure it. The launch in was set and it was cutting it to 4k... turn it off and seems ok now. time to learn some more
Thanks all
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02-20-2015, 10:51 AM
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Just for reference in case other folks with similar symptoms look at this thread:
I had a similar issue when I first got my MS (stock engine, no turbo). The engine was VVT, but the MS was not controlling the VVT. I was using a base map from Rev, hadn't made any changes to it yet. It would rev up to about 4000 rpms and then seemed to struggle a lot to get above that. I noticed that the AFRs were going crazy rich, so I just started pulling fuel in that area, and after pulling quite a lot of fuel, it finally was able to rev past 4000.
My theory on why this happened is as follows:
Since it's a VVT engine, it's designed to use the VVT to help increase the efficiency lower in the rpm range. When the VVT is not working, it operates pretty inefficiently until about 5500, where the engine is designed to have max torque. At that point, the various physical/geometric and timing characteristics of the engine converge together, and there's a sudden jump in the volumetric efficiency of the engine.
If you're using a standard base map, the VE table tends to increase at a much more gradual rate, so by the time it gets around 4000 rpms, it's putting way too much fuel in for the engine to use, which causes it to struggle. When I finally got mine to rev all the way through the rpm range, I had this crazy jump in the VE table between like 5300 and 5500 rpms. It increased very little between about 2500 and 5000, and then the VE table almost doubled between 5300 and 5500, and then increased at a reasonable rate the rest of the way to 7300.
That's my theory anyway.
I just thought I would put this here, in case anybody with an issue similar to mine looks at this thread, since the symptoms are very similar.
Cheers!
I had a similar issue when I first got my MS (stock engine, no turbo). The engine was VVT, but the MS was not controlling the VVT. I was using a base map from Rev, hadn't made any changes to it yet. It would rev up to about 4000 rpms and then seemed to struggle a lot to get above that. I noticed that the AFRs were going crazy rich, so I just started pulling fuel in that area, and after pulling quite a lot of fuel, it finally was able to rev past 4000.
My theory on why this happened is as follows:
Since it's a VVT engine, it's designed to use the VVT to help increase the efficiency lower in the rpm range. When the VVT is not working, it operates pretty inefficiently until about 5500, where the engine is designed to have max torque. At that point, the various physical/geometric and timing characteristics of the engine converge together, and there's a sudden jump in the volumetric efficiency of the engine.
If you're using a standard base map, the VE table tends to increase at a much more gradual rate, so by the time it gets around 4000 rpms, it's putting way too much fuel in for the engine to use, which causes it to struggle. When I finally got mine to rev all the way through the rpm range, I had this crazy jump in the VE table between like 5300 and 5500 rpms. It increased very little between about 2500 and 5000, and then the VE table almost doubled between 5300 and 5500, and then increased at a reasonable rate the rest of the way to 7300.
That's my theory anyway.
I just thought I would put this here, in case anybody with an issue similar to mine looks at this thread, since the symptoms are very similar.
Cheers!
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02-20-2015, 11:41 AM
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Just for reference in case other folks with similar symptoms look at this thread:
I had a similar issue when I first got my MS (stock engine, no turbo). The engine was VVT, but the MS was not controlling the VVT. I was using a base map from Rev, hadn't made any changes to it yet. It would rev up to about 4000 rpms and then seemed to struggle a lot to get above that. I noticed that the AFRs were going crazy rich, so I just started pulling fuel in that area, and after pulling quite a lot of fuel, it finally was able to rev past 4000.
My theory on why this happened is as follows:
Since it's a VVT engine, it's designed to use the VVT to help increase the efficiency lower in the rpm range. When the VVT is not working, it operates pretty inefficiently until about 5500, where the engine is designed to have max torque. At that point, the various physical/geometric and timing characteristics of the engine converge together, and there's a sudden jump in the volumetric efficiency of the engine.
If you're using a standard base map, the VE table tends to increase at a much more gradual rate, so by the time it gets around 4000 rpms, it's putting way too much fuel in for the engine to use, which causes it to struggle. When I finally got mine to rev all the way through the rpm range, I had this crazy jump in the VE table between like 5300 and 5500 rpms. It increased very little between about 2500 and 5000, and then the VE table almost doubled between 5300 and 5500, and then increased at a reasonable rate the rest of the way to 7300.
That's my theory anyway.
I just thought I would put this here, in case anybody with an issue similar to mine looks at this thread, since the symptoms are very similar.
Cheers!
I had a similar issue when I first got my MS (stock engine, no turbo). The engine was VVT, but the MS was not controlling the VVT. I was using a base map from Rev, hadn't made any changes to it yet. It would rev up to about 4000 rpms and then seemed to struggle a lot to get above that. I noticed that the AFRs were going crazy rich, so I just started pulling fuel in that area, and after pulling quite a lot of fuel, it finally was able to rev past 4000.
My theory on why this happened is as follows:
Since it's a VVT engine, it's designed to use the VVT to help increase the efficiency lower in the rpm range. When the VVT is not working, it operates pretty inefficiently until about 5500, where the engine is designed to have max torque. At that point, the various physical/geometric and timing characteristics of the engine converge together, and there's a sudden jump in the volumetric efficiency of the engine.
If you're using a standard base map, the VE table tends to increase at a much more gradual rate, so by the time it gets around 4000 rpms, it's putting way too much fuel in for the engine to use, which causes it to struggle. When I finally got mine to rev all the way through the rpm range, I had this crazy jump in the VE table between like 5300 and 5500 rpms. It increased very little between about 2500 and 5000, and then the VE table almost doubled between 5300 and 5500, and then increased at a reasonable rate the rest of the way to 7300.
That's my theory anyway.
I just thought I would put this here, in case anybody with an issue similar to mine looks at this thread, since the symptoms are very similar.
Cheers!
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02-20-2015, 12:50 PM
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I guess it doesn't make sense to say that putting too much fuel keeps the engine from accelerating, but it definitely seemed like that's what the issues was. The AFRs were very rich when it wouldn't accelerate, and then they became reasonable after I had pulled the fuel. What would cause it to behave like that?
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