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Old 09-09-2015, 11:25 AM   #321
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Still less than expected.
I mean it is 9.5psi on a 1.6. I expect crappy spool and around 200hp. All other dyno's shown of the new Begi setup have been 1.8's which we all know do much better in the spool and power departments.
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:30 AM   #322
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Is it still an alpha omega overlord setup if it's no longer on stock injectors?
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I'm ignoring spool because 1.6
And I'm actually being forgiving on power because 1.6

But are we really to expect no more than 200 from an ITB/Cam car with supposedly a "super optimized re-designed" begi setup?

I mean, underdog and brain made 250 and 230 at just a couple more psi with crappy ebay setups and chinachargers.
Their setups cost 1/4 of this, and that's ignoring the cams and itb's, which likely put this setup into the 7-8 grand total if not more vs their 1500-2000 setups

I'm genuinely curious if I'm missing something here, cause I would be truly sad if I spent that much money on 200hp
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I'm ignoring spool because 1.6
And I'm actually being forgiving on power because 1.6

But are we really to expect no more than 200 from an ITB/Cam car with supposedly a "super optimized re-designed" begi setup?

I mean, underdog and brain made 250 and 230 at just a couple more psi with crappy ebay setups and chinachargers
A couple more psi, you mean 50% increase? Brain made 240ish with 15psi.

I think if you crank up the boost power will go up a good bit. I am highly doubtful that the IRTB's/cams are doing much to help at such a low amount of boost. We also don't know what gear pulls are in and what the spark table looks like.

I do think spending any money on irtb's and cams on a 1.6 is a complete waste of money.
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My old setup made 200whp at 9.5psi without a ball bearing turbo (journal), without genuine Garrett (communist China), without fancy manifold (FM log), without good injectors (RX7 460s), without good ECU (MS1), without fancy cams (stock), without ITBs (stock), without good downpipe (~70 degree bend 6in from turbo), without a good tune (base timing map), but with stock block 1.8 and china 2870.

Moral of story: don't waste money on fancypants parts that don't actually make power. Spend your money on a 1.8.
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Old 09-09-2015, 12:05 PM   #326
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My old setup made 200whp at 9.5psi without a ball bearing turbo (journal), without genuine Garrett (communist China), without fancy manifold (FM log), without good injectors (RX7 460s), without good ECU (MS1), without fancy cams (stock), without ITBs (stock), without good downpipe (~70 degree bend 6in from turbo), without a good tune (base timing map), but with stock block 1.8 and china 2870.

Moral of story: don't waste money on fancypants parts that don't actually make power. Spend your money on a 1.8.
The bolded part is truth.
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Old 09-09-2015, 01:59 PM   #327
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<p>&nbsp;</p><p>And it's even worse. OP claims 200HP at CRANK, not at WHEELS.</p><p>From post 316:</p><p>&quot;So this setup gives me 200HP @ the crank.<br />60HP/70Nm more than without the turbo kit.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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Old 09-09-2015, 02:12 PM   #329
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<p>I'm grateful the above photo is still working.</p>
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Old 09-09-2015, 03:47 PM   #330
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Time table is from basemap. And perhaps the dyno at your place will show different numbers than the one at mine place does. Overall I'm happy with the result. Boost is now at around 0,85bar (guess 220hp @ crank). Could keep up with a CLS AMG 63 this week, I was noselenght infront of him (~0-80mph). The guy pulled over and couldn't believe it was a 1.6. Yes, turbo spools less than a 1.8, at 4000 I have full boost. ITB's gives me a fast response at throttle.
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Old 09-09-2015, 03:58 PM   #331
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stop guessing crank, just report what's measured at the ******* wheel, where you took the ******* measurement.

200rwhp miata is not that fast at all. the cls63 was probably on cruise control.


i should honestly just ban you right now for that bull **** lie.
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y u mad doe

and seriously OP, that benz was probably on cruise control. the newer ones run some seriously fast times that a 200whp miata isn't going to even be close to
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MB CLS 63 has ~3.8kg/ton weight.
My car has ~4.5kg/ton weight.
MB took off with wheel spin, no cruise controll, no launch controll. He was going for it. Car made a lot off revs. What else could I say. It's all about power/weight ratio and a good start ;-). Guy pulled over asking me what was under the hood, he wasn't expected this. Maybe I did suprice him
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Will make an acceleration video...
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2014 cls 63 amg does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and quarter mile in 11.6

You'd need 350+ to even come close
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Maybe the Benz's automatic transmission missed a shift. They do that all the time, ya know.

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0-60 in 3.2 seconds
</p><p>This is ******* hard to do in a miata.</p><p>patsmx5 owns both. Maybe he will chime in.</p>
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So, Alpha Omega = Magical Powers. I'm sold.
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So, Alpha Omega = Magical Powers. I'm sold.
</p><p>Another point for the new guy.</p>
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<p></p><p>This is ******* hard to do in a miata.</p><p>patsmx5 owns both. Maybe he will chime in.</p>
I have a C63 and a supercharged miata. Both rear wheel drive.

Benz traps 83-84mph in the 1/8 mile. Miata traps 88-89 mph in the 1/8 with 8* of ignition advance. The miata is faster, but I'm running all of it. I think my setup might trap high 90's mph in the 1/8 when it's tuned well.
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