FM Hydra 3071R on the way
03-19-2009, 07:04 PM
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Thanks for the info at Hallett. Sounds like fun but our training schedule is insane right now. I can't tell if I'll get some leave around that time.
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03-19-2009, 09:04 PM
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"base map" does not mean "daily driver map" for sure.
it's good enough to get you started and drive the car if you need to but it's not something you'd want to blindly drive around on.
in a nutshell, how do you know you'll be too rich or too lean or too advanced or too retarded without tuning something? it's very unlikely you're going to be "close enough" right out of the box. I'd bet a buck on that.
it's good enough to get you started and drive the car if you need to but it's not something you'd want to blindly drive around on.
in a nutshell, how do you know you'll be too rich or too lean or too advanced or too retarded without tuning something? it's very unlikely you're going to be "close enough" right out of the box. I'd bet a buck on that.
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03-19-2009, 09:16 PM
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"base map" does not mean "daily driver map" for sure.
it's good enough to get you started and drive the car if you need to but it's not something you'd want to blindly drive around on.
in a nutshell, how do you know you'll be too rich or too lean or too advanced or too retarded without tuning something? it's very unlikely you're going to be "close enough" right out of the box. I'd bet a buck on that.
it's good enough to get you started and drive the car if you need to but it's not something you'd want to blindly drive around on.
in a nutshell, how do you know you'll be too rich or too lean or too advanced or too retarded without tuning something? it's very unlikely you're going to be "close enough" right out of the box. I'd bet a buck on that.
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03-20-2009, 01:04 AM
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you probably won't "have problems" but you won't know how good it could be so you won't realize why its worth the cash until its paid for and done. Take the car to FM for tuning, I'm not recommending this **** for my health.
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03-20-2009, 02:04 AM
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Just wow. Thats like being in a prison shower and seeing a big angry looking dude with a huge boner eye balling you, and you ask him "What, your gonna **** me in the *** now!?"Should we go ahead and start a list of who wants what when the piston rods escape the confines of the crankcase? I'm not sure what I want, I will get back to you.
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03-20-2009, 02:21 AM
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Oh WOW! You ******* know this guy is a noob and doesn't know who Hustler is.. Just wow. Thats like being in a prison shower and seeing a big angry looking dude with a huge boner eye balling you, and you ask him "What, your gonna **** me in the *** now!?"
Should we go ahead and start a list of who wants what when the piston rods escape the confines of the crankcase? I'm not sure what I want, I will get back to you.
Just wow. Thats like being in a prison shower and seeing a big angry looking dude with a huge boner eye balling you, and you ask him "What, your gonna **** me in the *** now!?"Should we go ahead and start a list of who wants what when the piston rods escape the confines of the crankcase? I'm not sure what I want, I will get back to you.
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03-20-2009, 02:34 AM
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When was I talking ****? Just because I don't yet have a turbo on my Miata doesn't means I cant have a valid opinion. 12psi on a 3071 on a stock bottom end, with a base map and a no need to tune attitude isn't a good mix of things in my book. It may hold up for a while, but its still not something I would consider doing, especially with the rate people have been losing engines with smaller turbos and lower boost, and actual "good" tunes.
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03-20-2009, 03:31 AM
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Ah, ok then. Well if you people want to start a paypal fund to help me get boosted, you are all more than welcome to do so. Then I can talk all the **** I want, right? $20 a head, anybody? Help a poor fella out. In return I can grant you all the knowledge of all of the worlds books, and great blessings of my native American people... 
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03-20-2009, 11:56 AM
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Me thinks this guy should be more concerned about whether the equipment he's buying will allow him to run a steady 12#. I'd much more concerned with being able to control boost with the FM setup than I am about the tune.
The base maps from FM are much better than people on this forum think they are. Jeremy has tuned enough cars for FM customers with different setups to have a very good starting point. Having ran a stock map from FM and then having it tuned, the maps weren't much different. The base map was what my tuner called a conservative tune and would be fine to drive with for the life of the car. It's not like we're talking MS, where a bunch of amateurs tuned their **** on the street, then posted the maps on the internet and he's just choosing one.
As for the 12# on the stock bottom end, I did it on a bigger turbo. My engine survived, but common sense says it was a ticking time bomb. The OP needs to accept that.
The base maps from FM are much better than people on this forum think they are. Jeremy has tuned enough cars for FM customers with different setups to have a very good starting point. Having ran a stock map from FM and then having it tuned, the maps weren't much different. The base map was what my tuner called a conservative tune and would be fine to drive with for the life of the car. It's not like we're talking MS, where a bunch of amateurs tuned their **** on the street, then posted the maps on the internet and he's just choosing one.
As for the 12# on the stock bottom end, I did it on a bigger turbo. My engine survived, but common sense says it was a ticking time bomb. The OP needs to accept that.
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03-21-2009, 05:55 AM
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Me thinks this guy should be more concerned about whether the equipment he's buying will allow him to run a steady 12#. I'd much more concerned with being able to control boost with the FM setup than I am about the tune.
As for the 12# on the stock bottom end, I did it on a bigger turbo. My engine survived, but common sense says it was a ticking time bomb. The OP needs to accept that.
As for the 12# on the stock bottom end, I did it on a bigger turbo. My engine survived, but common sense says it was a ticking time bomb. The OP needs to accept that.
You have a set up very much like the one I purchased. How did yours act?
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03-21-2009, 12:00 PM
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I ran the car on the street at 6-7# for awhile, even ran a 13.3 at the drag strip. Ran it at 13# for awhile and even 18# for a bit. Just remember that the car will feel slow and you will want more. I originally only had plans to run it at the 6-7# level and be happy with it. The car was slow. That led to more and more. Eventually I just said the hell with it and kept bumping it up. When it was at 18# it started to really feel quick. I consider a stock miata engine a cheap disposable part. If you do the same you're going to have some fun with this. Remember, if you blow the engine you don't have to go through the hassle of trying to selling the damn thing when you pull it.
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03-21-2009, 08:48 PM
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Where is that shop and what is the name? The more the tuning subject comes up the more I wonder if I will need it.
Here is the reasoning. I will be making right at the limit of the stock internals. The Hydra will come with a very conservative tune. The tune (I'm guessing) will be very rich and not much timing. This will pull power and reduce the chance of detonation. I am thinking this is very good for my situation. If I go pay for someone to tune it what would I really get. I don't want more power at this point and I need something safe on the engine.
Here is the reasoning. I will be making right at the limit of the stock internals. The Hydra will come with a very conservative tune. The tune (I'm guessing) will be very rich and not much timing. This will pull power and reduce the chance of detonation. I am thinking this is very good for my situation. If I go pay for someone to tune it what would I really get. I don't want more power at this point and I need something safe on the engine.
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