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Old 09-17-2008, 02:47 PM   #21
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There is almost no demand for a high HP kit like that. There is however, a demand for the parts. Sell the manifold for example. I promise you could sell those. Make a nice reroute setup and you could sell it. Get greedy and make it all super expensive and nobody will buy anything. For example, make a nice tubular manifold with external gate setup for 500 and you will sell them. Make them for 400 and you will have cornered the market. Sell them for 1000 and.... you won't be selling very many.
The problem with 400 or 500 dollars is by the time you buy the flanges, and the tubing, add the time of the cutting of the tubing and pay the welder, you cant justify a 4 or 5 hundred dollar price. I can see 700 being very attainable, though.

Would there be interest in a manifold, downpipe, turbo setup? Manifold, Dp -about- 1100, and turbo depends on what size and options.

I think you all may change your minds when i get it finished and post the dyno, though, and will be asking for the whole kit!
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The problem with 400 or 500 dollars is by the time you buy the flanges, and the tubing, add the time of the cutting of the tubing and pay the welder, you cant justify a 4 or 5 hundred dollar price. I can see 700 being very attainable, though.

Would there be interest in a manifold, downpipe, turbo setup? Manifold, Dp -about- 1100, and turbo depends on what size and options.

I think you all may change your minds when i get it finished and post the dyno, though, and will be asking for the whole kit!
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:49 PM   #23
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Which Focus motor is this?

Old 2.0L, 2.0L Duratec, 2.3L, or SVT?
old 2.0L zetec motor, which from the factory puts down ~115whp.
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No way you just said that. You must be high.
Im at work silly..














So of course I'm high.

Only kidding.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:07 PM   #25
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Putting down the 1.6L is silly btw... it is just .2l... so tiny of a difference in the grand scheme.

Just put down 230+ on 10.x psi... with a smaller turbo than your project is using. A hurt turbo none the less.... new numbers to come as soon as i can get back to dyno.
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...by the way, what's up with the company logo?

it is a horse shitting fire.
It's the logo for the new Mustang targeted at aging boomers. It encapsulates the essence of speed and acceleration by drawing upon the demographic's collective experience with spicy Mexican food and rectal dysfunction.

In academic circles this is referred to as the Habenero Hemorrhoid Paradigm.

It also signals to this great generation that after decades of success the Mustang has finally "come of age". No sir, this isn't your father's mustang. This 'stang's for you, Gramps!

To help alleviate any lingering memories of discomfort the New Mustang is equipped with a soothing Preparation-H air freshener.
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Putting down the 1.6L is silly btw... it is just .2l... so tiny of a difference in the grand scheme.

Just put down 230+ on 10.x psi... with a smaller turbo than your project is using. A hurt turbo none the less.... new numbers to come as soon as i can get back to dyno.
Im not putting it down, it just doesnt have the potential as far as Peak HP. The cylinder walls are thinner bc its actually i think a 1.3L bored out and stroked, i cant remember exactly but i know it cant handle as much boost. Im not putting it down, its just not what this kit is intending to target.

Let me put it to you this way, I expect no less than 400HP when i get done.

Full details of the build will be posted when i get done, but im not finished with the manifold yet.
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Im not putting it down, it just doesnt have the potential as far as Peak HP. The cylinder walls are thinner bc its actually i think a 1.3L bored out and stroked, i cant remember exactly but i know it cant handle as much boost. Im not putting it down, its just not what this kit is intending to target.

Let me put it to you this way, I expect no less than 400HP when i get done.

Full details of the build will be posted when i get done, but im not finished with the manifold yet.
Ok, with "knowledge" of these cars like that...you can expect to sell a grand total of one turbo kit to members of this forum....that one will be sold to yourself...possibly.
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Let me put it to you this way, I expect no less than 400HP when i get done.
400whp? Stock internals?

No way.
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400whp? Stock internals?

No way.
Hehe... he apparently hasn't looked at the 1.6l block. The 1.8L motor is for the most part identical to the 1.6L... just stretched a hair.

Nor has he thought about the limits of the stock internals ie: rod/pistons/oil pump on the 1.8l.

Then again... lets see 400.
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I think the biggest issue you run into with "US" is that alot of has have seen the offerings in the market... done our own stuff and been playing with a turbo miata for a bit now.

It's one thing to come in and talk of your own project or show it... thats cool. But the setup as a sale thread (even though you say it isn't)... just isn't usually taken well. Especially with big claims and high price tags.
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Stock internals? LOL no way. This will be the 10th miata motor that I have built, only the 2nd one for myself though. Pauter rods and forged wiseco 9:1 pistons.

No on stock internals at 10 psi im expecting between ~250-300whp.
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Hehe... he apparently hasn't looked at the 1.6l block. The 1.8L motor is for the most part identical to the 1.6L... just stretched a hair.

Nor has he thought about the limits of the stock internals ie: rod/pistons/oil pump on the 1.8l.

Then again... lets see 400.
The 1.8 is not identical to the 1.6, you can actually bore the 1.8 MORE than the 1.6. Ive already had the oil pump gear replaced and put in different valve springs and retainers in case i want to rev to 8K+ rpms.

Im not new to the miata community guys, just new to this forum.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:58 PM   #34
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Would there be interest in a manifold, downpipe, turbo setup? Manifold, Dp -about- 1100, and turbo depends on what size and options.

I think you all may change your minds when i get it finished and post the dyno, though, and will be asking for the whole kit!
You underestimate the DIY-ness of the audience here at MT. Though I have no doubt that you will get some "complete kit" business, I think that overall you will do much better to also offer the manifold, DP, and turbo flange (or complete turbo, if you must) as a set seperate from the rest of the kit.

Regarding the 1.6, it looks like others have already chimed in. While the 1.6 is technically an overbored 1.3, the 1.8 is not much beefier in terms of wall thickness. It's a moot point anyway, as that's not typically a weak point on these cars. Remember, our blocks are sleeveless cast iron.

Internally, the connecting rods tend to go first. The pistons are next in line, as the top ring land is pretty thin. Crank and block failures are pretty rare by comparison. And for what it's worth, the 1.6 actually has a reputation for being just about the toughest member of the family in terms of resistance to boost. But I'm not aware of any that have ever produced 400 HP on the stock internals for more than a few tenths of a second before the expensive noise happened.

Anyway, I can certainly understand the logic in not supporting the 1.6, if for no other reason than that it was only a three year run. Design a system for the 1.8, and you've got 12 years worth of Miatae to sell to.


Very interesting stuff, though. I'd say you've piqued our interest. The V-band idea is pure sex.
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I think the biggest issue you run into with "US" is that alot of has have seen the offerings in the market... done our own stuff and been playing with a turbo miata for a bit now.

It's one thing to come in and talk of your own project or show it... thats cool. But the setup as a sale thread (even though you say it isn't)... just isn't usually taken well. Especially with big claims and high price tags.
Its not a sale thread, im designing the kit for my own personal miata, it is being built by Top Speed, and they will mass produce it if the interest is there. These guys are my friends, and i wish success upon them, but i will not be making any money off this, i have my job for that. Just a hobby.
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Stock internals? LOL no way. This will be the 10th miata motor that I have built, only the 2nd one for myself though. Pauter rods and forged wiseco 9:1 pistons.

No on stock internals at 10 psi im expecting between ~250-300whp.

In that case, carry on.

For someone that has built 10 miata motors, you sure don't know squat about the 1.6 block.
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In that case, carry on.

For someone that has built 10 miata motors, you sure don't know squat about the 1.6 block.
thats because ive only built 1.8L motors, there are a lot more miatas that have 1.8s than have 1.6s.
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thats because ive only built 1.8L motors, there are a lot more miatas that have 1.8s than have 1.6s.
Touché, fair enough.

Im just talking **** anyways, gl with the kit. Hope to see some good dyno #'s.
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Because designing the mani and downpipe is a smaller investment than designing the whole kit, why not do that first, and if it's profitable, THEN design the rest of the "kit"?
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For that money... most will just go with what is already out there from companies they know and trust.
Maybe so, but it looks like a viable candidate. If they build it well and a few people try it and get stellar results, then it will sell.

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