Adventures in PTE/TTE
#321
Anyway, back to the thread. TTE rules, MCE drools
#326
* = 7 pts. Which equates to a lbs/hp percentage. On high HP cars, it could be 20-30whp. On a E-C Miata, it usually works out to 5-8whp. That's how an 2400# NA with NB engine gets to 138whp to be closer to a 2400# NB1 pts car that can run 144whp. The difference is the dyno classed car will have a broader powerband. In practice, that's only an advantage on slow, tight tracks. On most tracks with higher avg speeds and/or longer straights, the pts car will always get to the braking zone first.
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* = 7 pts. Which equates to a lbs/hp percentage. On high HP cars, it could be 20-30whp. On a E-C Miata, it usually works out to 5-8whp. That's how an 2400# NA with NB engine gets to 138whp to be closer to a 2400# NB1 pts car that can run 144whp. The difference is the dyno classed car will have a broader powerband. In practice, that's only an advantage on slow, tight tracks. On most tracks with higher avg speeds and/or longer straights, the pts car will always get to the braking zone first.
I'm thinking I'm going to take the car out for an event or two in it's current state while I collect parts and cash for the next phase of this cars life. It's very close to a competitive TTE build in it's current phase. I'll be down a slight advantage to a points nb1 car but since it's just for run, I'm not sweating it.
Thanks for the guidance yall. I'll prob post a few more times asking dumb questions as I re-arrange the parts that are already in teh garage to optimize what i have and do a nasa event or two. Then it's time for tear down and rebuild into something new.
edit: just for those watching from home... this is for tte... not pte like I said above. derp.
#332
Fairly certain Greg will make you take points for Sport Brakes. Non-BTM. +2.
From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.
Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.
Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
#333
Fairly certain Greg will make you take points for Sport Brakes. Non-BTM. +2.
From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.
Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.
Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
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Fairly certain Greg will make you take points for Sport Brakes. Non-BTM. +2.
From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.
Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.
Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
Not following if your car is a 99 or a 94 though....
#335
I can't remember if it was last year or the year before that I had this discussion with Greg. At that time his ruling was that you could run sport brakes if you were reclassing as a VVT car, but you had to run non-sport 1.8 brakes if you were reclassed as a non-VVT 1.8 car. Reclassing as a VVT car gets you a 15lb penalty over a regular 1.8, but gains you VVT and sport brakes. Nothing else is allowed to be updated or backdated.
This is all referring to my 91 chassis with 1.8 swap, but I think the 15lb VVT penalty and free sport brakes usage applies to all VVT swapped miatas.
This is all referring to my 91 chassis with 1.8 swap, but I think the 15lb VVT penalty and free sport brakes usage applies to all VVT swapped miatas.
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The recent dyno class emails I've seen for VVT cars explicitly allow Sport brakes as well, but only for VVT cars. My "loophole" was closed when the NB2 cars were split out onto their own line item.
#337
Yup. if only.
I could only imagine that if the dyno operator was not welcomed/asked not to show/asked to leave, he probably wouldve called the national office and would have been there anyways. what do i know, im just a peon.
One competitor of mine was trying to find loopholes in the rules. our supplemental rules say that the local dyno was the one one to be used for compliance, yet at the same time, it does say those rules are subject to change and without notice, along with the reclassing sheet that says "gotta be compliant during any tech inspection." to me, a dyno is a tech inspection.
While i do feel for everyone who was DQ'd, it was definitely a shitty situation, and again, not how i wanted to get my 1st 1st place this season. Some let their ego's take over while some swallowed it and/or made plans for if/when this happened, and did what was best to get points/contingency/etc.
Hell, I would have been DQ'ed as well had I not ballasted up.
I could only imagine that if the dyno operator was not welcomed/asked not to show/asked to leave, he probably wouldve called the national office and would have been there anyways. what do i know, im just a peon.
One competitor of mine was trying to find loopholes in the rules. our supplemental rules say that the local dyno was the one one to be used for compliance, yet at the same time, it does say those rules are subject to change and without notice, along with the reclassing sheet that says "gotta be compliant during any tech inspection." to me, a dyno is a tech inspection.
While i do feel for everyone who was DQ'd, it was definitely a shitty situation, and again, not how i wanted to get my 1st 1st place this season. Some let their ego's take over while some swallowed it and/or made plans for if/when this happened, and did what was best to get points/contingency/etc.
Hell, I would have been DQ'ed as well had I not ballasted up.
You also never had a Plan B before the event, that was a one time exception that they made up on the spot halfway through Saturday to allow dyno classed cars to operate on a power to weight limit instead of a horsepower cap, and had they not implemented it, or had you been dyno'd first instead of me, you would have been DQ'd as well.
The whole thing was bullshit and just reinforces my decision to never go to nationals.
Oh bonus for everyone else here: the MCE dyno jackass cut apart my wiring harness to get an ignition signal even after I told him not to. He refused to use the plug wire because he said the signal wasn't as good lol.
Bonus bonus: I was fired from being an instructor with NASA AZ after "speaking ill of the official national dyno."
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One of the worst cases of mismanagement I've heard was by NASA not verifying the measuring stick they were using was an accurate device prior to implementation. It seems pretty simple to have a known quantity pre-measured and verified by multiple sources to then be used to verify the measuring device periodically throughout the measuring of competitors' vehicles. Or maybe I'm the idiot.
Racing seems to always have so much internal strife. SCCA is full of strife, NASA, and even the big national and international organizations like PWC, ALMS, Indycar, etc. are always having accuracy and fairness issues. I guess it goes with the seriousness that accompanies competition coupled with the inherent fallibility of men.
As you noted above, painting a picture of ourselves and our actions as being more insightful, wise, and righteous is also a feature common to men.
Humility is difficult to find on the internet.
#339
but, hey thats just my opinion. we've already been over the other stuff.