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Old 03-13-2018, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by concealer404
Ok, so you'll want to buy hats/bumps to match that.
I'll look into it later today, besides this thread, are there any others that I should read through for some bumpstop theory?
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by whitrzac
I'll look into it later today, besides this thread, are there any others that I should read through for some bumpstop theory?
Not that i'm aware of. They're there to 1) keep your shock from bottoming out and 2) jamming your tires in places you don't want them to be. The length that achieves both of those is what you want.
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I'll give some anecdotal information. I have the nb bilstein b8 shocks for my na miata as well as 37mm integra cut bumpstops. I have the goodwin rear top hats and have load of travel to the point where travel in the rear is a non issue. My ride height plans are 12.5 front +/-.1 inch 12.7 rear. +/-.1 inch. I previously had nb front top hats. at the ride height of 12.4, my shock suspension was resting on the bump stop. That isn't to say I am out of travel, the bumpstop compresses to give more travel. I took measurements and test fit the good win top hats for the front of my car. With no spring and on the shock, at absolute full compression to the point where the shock is lifting up the car with 37mm bumpstops, my wheels (i have stock wheels). would just rub a tiny bit on my inner fender liner bump where the airbag wiring goes. Test fit with a 44mm bumpstop it ever so slightly rubbed with a tire on at half way turned to the point that I am not concerned. I will have more answers to using a 37mm bumstop with the goodwin top hats at my ride height I want by the weekend ish.
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Originally Posted by concealer404
You'll "need" them for the rear, and depending on set ride height, also for the front.
Ride height doesnt affect needing extended top hats or not. Tire diameter and willingness to remove the fender liners is what makes the difference. Just set your bump stops correctly and if they're short or dont exist when the wheel tire is about the bottom out then you need extended top hats. As far as I can tell you need them on both ends, you can probably get away without them on the front if you dont go low but either way it'll be suboptimal.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
Ride height doesnt affect needing extended top hats or not. Tire diameter and willingness to remove the fender liners is what makes the difference. Just set your bump stops correctly and if they're short or dont exist when the wheel tire is about the bottom out then you need extended top hats. As far as I can tell you need them on both ends, you can probably get away without them on the front if you dont go low but either way it'll be suboptimal.
Ok well. In the real world, ride height comes into play when determining if you need/want extended hats in the front or not. As you pretty plainly alluded to in the last sentence of your post.
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Originally Posted by concealer404
Ok well. In the real world, ride height comes into play when determining if you need/want extended hats in the front or not. As you pretty plainly alluded to in the last sentence of your post.
Yes if you want to save some money it might matter but you still need them to get all the travel you want.
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Correct.
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Originally Posted by concealer404
Ok well. In the real world, ride height comes into play when determining if you need/want extended hats in the front or not. As you pretty plainly alluded to in the last sentence of your post.
I'm with you.
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Do the Koni Sport need extended tophats as well on an NB car or is this only for the msm and other factory Bilsteins?
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Originally Posted by mrmonk7663
Do the Koni Sport need extended tophats as well on an NB car or is this only for the msm and other factory Bilsteins?

I am not completely certain of the dimensions of the Koni Sports (even after a quick search, but don't feel like wasting my time...this thread is about Bilsteins), but the body length seems to be about 0.5" shorter than the "hard-s" bilsteins, Front and Rear. That can almost make the difference of needing extended hats, but again, this depend on the ride height you want to achieve. Put simply, provided the same heights that others in this thread have used and needed or not needed extended top hats, subtract 0.5" and compare to your needs. If you want to be at the same height as others who have easily made stock NB hats work up front and needed a 1" at the back, you may be able to get away with stock NB hats in the back or be able to use a much longer bumpstop (but verify it doesn't compress too much, of course).

...for the thousandth time in this thread: it depends.

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I guess I’ll find out. I have both msm coil over sleeves and Koni sleeves, the konis have 2.25” springs. Just need to tear the suspension off when I get a chance. Thanks.
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I've been a lurker on this thread since last December and I remember some people talking about DIY revalving Bilsteins. These links contain info on revalving BC's, but I would imagine that a lot of this will apply to Bilsteins as well. Can't remember what exactly has been posted so far, but found a little info that might help if anyone is still interested, apologies if off topic or repost :
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Ordered a set of goodwin tophats. They're shipping seems a bit excessive...
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Tophats arrived, they came with spring isolators too.
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Originally Posted by HarryB
Speaking of quality, the extended Maruha ones I mentioned couple of posts before

All this talk of extended top hats and I still haven’t seen a link to these...it was over a week ago when I searched, but if I recall correctly, I couldn’t even find the above image in google.

Serious question: In seeking ultimate cheapness for “budget coilovers”, has anyone had success with tangential-ended springs, ie. not square/flat? What I’m really getting at here, as I don’t recall a clear example of this in the thread, is do we think one could pick up a ~14” long, quality brand coil spring, used for some dirt-track cars or the like, and cut it in half? This would double the initial spring rate, but leave you with an “open” tangential end (like stock NB springs). Now, if that end were set on a ramped isolator, such as the Energy suspension 9.6119G, it would have some support, but would it still bend/now enough to contact the threads and whatnot? Honestly, I may just try it...these springs are ~$10-$20 a piece used on eBay in all sorts of rates. Cut them in half (or in various other lengths, k_final = k_initial*L_initial/L_final) and you have 2 springs
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Originally Posted by HarryB
Thanks HarryB! Looks like they are about $31 a piece, so probably easier to just go with one of the various more local options. Those are pretty though.
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$31 each seems really cheap. Cheap enough i'd be seeing about shipping. Those are nice.
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Originally Posted by concealer404
$31 each seems really cheap. Cheap enough i'd be seeing about shipping. Those are nice.
They are. I just imagine shipping to suck, but worth a check. I’ll drop an inquiry with them.
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