Trackspeed Engineering 12-tooth crank trigger wheel
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There has been some mumbling and discussion on how cool it would be to have one of these, so I decided to wait on posting this until I had them in-hand. TSE has 12-tooth OEM-location crank trigger wheels in stock. These use the OEM 99+ crank sensor and provide a significant increase in resolution over the OEM trigger wheels. Because they are equally spaced, it is now possible for MSPNP/MS1 guys to join the crank trigger club as well. The teeth are very similar to the OEM tooth profile to ensure that these are as mechanically plug-and-play as possible.
The prototype wheel is working flawlessly on an AEM-equipped car. That car went from +/- 3 degrees of timing slop to +/- <1 degree. Setup info for AEMs with and without VVT will be out shortly, MS2 following that, MS1 following that. We may offer a PnP kit for MS1/MS2 guys at some point, but if you are willing to sort it out yourself jump on this. The wheels with spacers will retail for $49. To keep costs down, these were manufactured in two pieces - a flat wheel and a spacer. We found the spacer was necessary on some cars to keep the crank trigger clear of the harmonic balancer. They will come with every wheel - if you need it, good, if you don't need it, good. Attachment 195835 |
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So having this will make the timing on my car more accurate, therefore I can squeeze every last ounce of timing without worrying if my shit will blow due to timing inconsistency?
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Originally Posted by longuyen88
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So having this will make the timing on my car more accurate, therefore I can squeeze every last ounce of timing without worrying if my shit will blow due to timing inconsistency?
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Sav, will this work with ATI damper?
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I'm not sure, never tried. If the OEM NB piece fits with the ATI, this should fit as well.
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For the ATI damper, you'll need to open up the ID and drill 4 new holes for the mounting bolts.
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Awesome. In for when the PnP solution comes for MSPNP. This + VVT box = Happy with MSPNP.
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How would these function on a 93 longnose....
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I will buy one as soon as you have a sensor solution as well.
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Sav,
Is this the final version, or where there be a missing tooth wheel in the works? A 12-1 wouldn't require a cam sensor, where a 12 tooth wheel would. You could also run sequential with a 12-1 and a cam sensor. |
Originally Posted by Ben
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Sav,
Is this the final version, or where there be a missing tooth wheel in the works? A 12-1 wouldn't require a cam sensor, where a 12 tooth wheel would. You could also run sequential with a 12-1 and a cam sensor. |
IIRC you must have a number of teeth divisible by 4 (cylinders) plus the missing tooth, all evenly spaced.
so a 12-1 wheel; where there are 12 teeth plus one missing tooth evenly spaced. or a 4-2, or 36-1, etc, etc. otherwise you use the CAS for a cam sensor for the second trigger. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
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I will buy one as soon as you have a sensor solution as well.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
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IIRC you must have a number of teeth divisible by 4 (cylinders) plus the missing tooth, all evenly spaced.
so a 12-1 wheel; where there are 12 teeth plus one missing tooth evenly spaced. or a 4-2, or 36-1, etc, etc. otherwise you use the CAS for a cam sensor for the second trigger. I would suspect that you would be able to carefully remove one tooth from this wheel. However I would suggest that the wheel be fabricated without the tooth, as I can't think of an application that would not benefit. |
thanks for clearing that up.
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The AEM can be made to work with the 12 tooth wheel in NON VVT apps.
In a VVT app one tooth MUST be removed. And IIRC there is a choice of only 3 tooth locations that can be removed, and arguably 1 of them is optimal. |
Does the AEM then use the 3 tooth NB cam wheel for sync (non VVT)?
MegaSquirt (and most others) can use a 12 tooth crank with a 1 tooth cam in lieu of a missing tooth on the crank wheel. |
The AEM can use either VVT or non-VVT NB cam signal for sync.
They are very similar. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 604581)
I will buy one as soon as you have a sensor solution as well.
As far as the missing tooth (or lack of a missing tooth), this product started as a bit of a pet project for myself and a few other folks, all of us using AEMs. We wanted a wheel to mate up with OEM NB cam/crank sensors (I think the prototype car is using a modified NA CAS), and those of us who needed a missing tooth could just shave it off. The design is with non-VVT AEM cars in mind, since we were originally going to make about 5 of these, but after looking at the manufacturing process and getting a few quotes, economically it made sense to make lots more of them. (It's the same reason there are 12 teeth instead of 36 teeth - the AEM ignores everything past 12 teeth.) It's easy to grind a tooth off wherever you need, and it's something we can do here if you tell us which tooth you want gone. I would be stunned if there were a balance issue with grinding a tooth off, based on the way the OEM wheel is done (4 teeth unequally spaced). |
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