Jongbloed 15x8, 15x9 and 15x10 wheels
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You've seen these discussed in this forum in the past, now it's happening.
The Jongbloed Aero 500 is a high pressure forged wheel rated at 550 kg. It's built specifically for the Miata with a 54.1mm bore size and Miata-friendly offsets. More details We'll be keeping these in stock in the future, but there's an introductory group buy. The group buy gets you $10 off per wheel and free shipping. The initial order is pretty small, so we're hoping the group buy will also bump the order size for improved availability. Specs: 15x8 4x100 bolt pattern, 54.1mm hub bore 13.5 lbs +36 offset $199 group buy price with free shipping 15x9 4x100 bolt pattern, 54.1mm hub bore 14 lbs +36 offset $219 group buy price with free shipping 15x10 4x100 bolt pattern, 54.1mm hub bore 14.5 lbs (est) +25 offset $229 group buy price with free shipping The group buy will be taking place in our Group Buy center. Basically, place an order through the FM website and we'll add you to the list. We'll charge you once the parts are available to ship. Note: We know that the renderings have a 5x130 bolt pattern. Obviously , the Miata wheels will have a 4x100 pattern. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390518352 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390518352 |
Nevermind, silver and flat black, saw it on the FM website http://www.flyinmiata.com/groupbuy/index.php - GroupBuy http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?...umber=16-52050 - Silver http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?...umber=16-52000 - Flat Black Ninja edit FTW |
Silver and flat black.
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Oh if only I could find a set of 15x10.5 and 15x11's :(
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Went from 6UL style to ATS DTC style. Nice move.
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"high pressure forged"?
do you mean high pressure cast or actually forged one-piece? edit: from the FM site theyre actually forged. Amazing, cheapest price I've seen for forged wheels. |
Keith: I understand these haven't even been delivered yet, but has there been any testing done in regard to brake clearance? I would be nice to know what these do and do not clear before we all get crazy
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Can FM ship 225 Rivals with the 15x9s?
I assume a bit of fender rolling needed on a '95 to fit the 15x9? Clearance on the 11" Wilwood BBK? Heck of a price for a forged wheel. |
Originally Posted by scenturion
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"high pressure forged"?
do you mean high pressure cast or actually forged one-piece? edit: from the FM site theyre actually forged. Amazing, cheapest price I've seen for forged wheels. After no interest from a "nobody" trying to set it up, I got in contact with Keith and Bill, and got Bill in contact with Ryan. I really like the tweaks they made to the design as well. |
I believe they were designed with clearance for both the 11" and 11.75" brake kits. I'll confirm.
Here's what Jongbloed has to say about their design and production process. Engineering - Jongbloed Racing We can supply Rivals and other tires, but not mounted and balanced like our other wheel packages. They would be shipped from a different location. On a 15x8, you may not have to do any rolling on an NA - or very little at most. 15x9 would require rolling. I run a 225 R1R on a 15x8 on my 1990. |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1095011)
They are "flow formed" which is a type of forging, yes.
The Jongbloed site says "Jongbloed Wheels are hot forged on a press under 10 million pounds of pressure." which seems to indicate a traditional progressive-die forging method rather than flow-forming (unless I'm misunderstanding). Keith, can you contact the manufacturer and clarify? |
The most important thing? They're a very proven manufacturer and the load ratings are very good.
You have their description of how the wheels are made. I'll ask for clarification, but I'm more interested in the end result. |
The weight of the wheels is a bit heavy for a forged wheel. I mean my volk te37 were only 10.6 pounds and 16x7. My 15x7 rpf1 are 10 pounds but not forged. There is a big price difference from the 2. I would expect a lighter wheel for 15x8 for that price. No offense. People want forged wheels because they are both light and strong.
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From their website:
"Second is process. All forged wheels are not created equal. The term “forging” is loosely used today—claiming to manufacture product without a pressure value is an empty statement. Jongbloed Wheels are hot forged on a press under 10 million pounds of pressure. The massive heat and pressure yields a grain structure and metal compression rate within the wheel to make an ultra-strong, high-quality wheel. Terms like “rotary forged” sound technical, but usually refer to a wheel made on a lighter weight press with offset tooling dies to yield a higher compression rate. When you shop for wheels, make sure you’re comparing apples to apples. Higher pressure manufacturing equals stronger finished products, which result in more durable, dependable and consistent performance characteristics." Keith: How accurate are those renderings as far as the final product is concerned? Are they going to be concave like they are in the pics? Some wheels look great in lower offsets but not so much in higher offsets where the spokes and face flatten out. |
Yes please confirm that the rendering is accurate, they are in my shopping cart right now.
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Originally Posted by paNX2K&SE-R
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Keith: How accurate are those renderings as far as the final product is concerned? Are they going to be concave like they are in the pics? Some wheels look great in lower offsets but not so much in higher offsets where the spokes and face flatten out.
Is it better to paint a flat black or silver wheel? |
It's better to paint flat black.
I've asked for renders. Thanks for the patience. |
Yeah, all what them guys said too.
Thanks Keith, you are one of the good ones :bigtu: |
Originally Posted by Keith@FM
(Post 1095211)
It's better to paint flat black.
I've asked for renders. Thanks for the patience. |
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While we're waiting, here's a quick and dirty photoshop job.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390584097 |
Originally Posted by Keith@FM
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While we're waiting, here's a quick and dirty photoshop job.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390584097 |
Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 1095241)
I'm going to widely distribute this image with no context so people start calling you about the FM 5-lug conversion ;)
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Definately glad to see another option out there. Hopefully by this spring I'll be ready for a new set of wheels and tires.
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Originally Posted by EO2K
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I'm going to widely distribute this image with no context so people start calling you about the FM 5-lug conversion ;)
These might be my next 15x9's. |
Originally Posted by chpmnsws6
(Post 1095276)
Call Monster Miata. They did the swap over a decade ago.
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Update: the wheels are indeed flow formed.
Here's an NB mockup. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390602534 |
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Ninja edit!
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Originally Posted by EO2K
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I'm going to widely distribute this image with no context so people start calling you about the FM 5-lug conversion ;)
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So true! It's actually slowcarfast.com. Although most of the cars on that site aren't really slow anymore...
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Subie swapped Westy? I need to read more about this...
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Order placed, 4 15x9's in silver :-)
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Originally Posted by Keith@FM
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Update: the wheels are indeed flow formed.
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Do you know which method these are, the cast blank or the forged disk? I see the disk method having the most strength but maybe being the more expensive option. Im using the wheels on a street car so they will be plenty strong for me. Just curious
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Originally Posted by EO2K
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I think you missed the point of my comment :bigtu:
<- Just being an asshat :D |
Originally Posted by Keith@FM
(Post 1094967)
You've seen these discussed in this forum in the past, now it's happening.
The Jongbloed Aero 500 is a high pressure forged wheel rated at 550 kg. It's built specifically for the Miata with a 54.1mm bore size and Miata-friendly offsets. |
Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 1095508)
The miata-specific bore is lame as hell. There are a lot of cars other than miata with 4x100 bolt pattern and most of them have bore larger than 54mm.
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Not trying to start a tiff or anything, but shouldn't this be on your vendor page? Competition and choices are always good, but a GB thread for on a section sponsored by 949 doesn't seem to kosher.
Customer of both camps and appreciate what you guys bring to the community thanks for helping get another option out there. |
Sponsor does not mean Owner. There's nothing wrong with it and it's appropriate.
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Don't spend your time looking for ways to be offended, life is too short.
I've asked for renders of these exact wheels. The offset is mostly done with the thickness of the pad, which has no effect on the dish. We'll certainly take lots of pictures once the real thing is in our hands as well, although the GB will be done by then. As for the hub bore, a lot of Miata owners get all wound up about lug centric wheels. We can do bigger bores if there's a demand, but these are Miata wheels from a Miata shop so 54.1 seemed appropriate. |
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My guess: FM is a respectable vendor and likely felt the above design would be 'too close' to 949's 6UL. It's not good business to be viewed as a knock-off, particularly when you're an established vendor. This said, the 6UL is hardly an original design, at least from an aesthetic standpoint. From a moldflow/DFM standpoint, of course it is proprietary.
I'm purely speculating. -Zach |
Actually, no. That's basically the Spec Miata wheel up above, which looks a lot like the 13" Aero 300 that Jongbloed has made for a while. It's not an unusual design for light wheels, as it's a reflection of what works. Call it convergent evolution. The old design is almost a dead ringer for the BBS CH, actually, much more so than the 949 wheels.
Jongbloed made the change. I don't believe it was for aesthetic reasons at all, but I personally prefer the new design. And if it means we catch less crap because it doesn't look as much like other popular wheels on the market, even better. :) |
That's a pity, I think the more compact beefy looking wheel is a better match for the miata than the spindly open look of the "new" design.
Not that I'm looking to get new wheels anytime soon though, so I've got no right to comlain anyway :P. |
Compact Beefy Looking == Weight.
Remember that in SM, there is a minimum wheel weight. And it's pretty high (nearly 14# for a 15x7). If you're not racing SM, you can do better. |
I can't exactly say a wheel like for example volk te37 is heavy, but it doesn't get much beefier than that :P.
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Originally Posted by Opgedronken
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Not by a long shot. That's like calling the other design 5ul.
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Originally Posted by Keith@FM
(Post 1095607)
Don't spend your time looking for ways to be offended, life is too short.
I've asked for renders of these exact wheels. The offset is mostly done with the thickness of the pad, which has no effect on the dish. We'll certainly take lots of pictures once the real thing is in our hands as well, although the GB will be done by then. As for the hub bore, a lot of Miata owners get all wound up about lug centric wheels. We can do bigger bores if there's a demand, but these are Miata wheels from a Miata shop so 54.1 seemed appropriate. |
I just signed up for the group buy. Should I run 225 NT01 or 245 R6 on 15x10?
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I don't think you will be running 225's on 15x10 unless your going for hella-stretch.
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Originally Posted by ctdrftna
(Post 1097478)
I don't think you will be running 225's on 15x10 unless your going for hella-stretch.
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Strange propping going on in this thread. ??
Anyways, I'll be joining the group buy tomorrow!! Black 15x9s for me. Don't forget . . . Made in USA. MURICUHH!! |
Not actually made in the USA. I don't know who writes Jongbloed's website, but that particular piece of information is very misleading.
Urban, we've got a car here with 15x10s and 275s. With the AK bolt-on flares, we're well clear of the tires. It's an easy enough thing to check if you pull the springs. |
Originally Posted by Keith@FM
(Post 1098188)
Not actually made in the USA. I don't know who writes Jongbloed's website, but that particular piece of information is very misleading.
I wonder if any wheels are made in the USA anymore? |
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Originally Posted by hornetball
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I wonder if any wheels are made in the USA anymore?
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I Want 15X11 now.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 1098885)
I Want 15X11 now.
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Originally Posted by EO2K
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Dangit bundy, stop overachieving. You should just get it over with and tub your car already ;)
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Here you go, available with whatever offset and bolt pattern you want.
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