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thumpetto007 06-24-2016 08:04 PM

Am I allowed to say stuff referencing Grassroots Motorsports Magazine, if I have a paid subscription and read it on a physical page with my own two eyes? The information would potentially save people here some decent money.

18psi 06-24-2016 09:19 PM

if it's been published, of course

thumpetto007 06-24-2016 10:01 PM

I'm just dumb, don't listen to me.

aidandj 06-24-2016 10:03 PM

Anything about wear? Or straight-line grip

Savington 06-24-2016 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1341175)
cool...

So the 205 RE71R and the new (and old) 205 Rival S is significantly faster than the 245 Maxxis VR-1, so only get the Maxxis if you want that meaty stance, not for performance. Save money by not getting 15x10 or 15x9 rims, keep your 8 inch wide rims.

Except for the little problem of the RE71R wearing 3-4x as fast as the VR-1 does. If you care about max performance, yes, 205 RE71Rs on 8s are what you want. Be prepared to buy a set every 3-4 track days, or sooner if you are using them on the street too. If you are doing HPDEs and you want good performance without spending a fortune on tires every year, you want the 245/40 VR-1 on 9s (NAs) or 10s (flared NAs or NBs).

The notion that the 245 VR-1 is just for "stance" or whatever is completely false.

Savington 06-24-2016 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1341177)
Anything about wear? Or straight-line grip

My anecdotal seat-of-the-pants feel says the 245/40s on 15x10s hook harder than the 225 Rival S on 9s in a straight line. No data to back that up, just butt feel and how easy it is to spin 1st on the same car with both setups.

thumpetto007 06-24-2016 10:51 PM

I was mostly joking about the stance thing.

I only care about max performance. I daily the RE71Rs through the mountains and it is fantastic.

thumpetto007 06-24-2016 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1341177)
Anything about wear? Or straight-line grip

Wear or straight line grip was not really addressed, however the VR-1, due to its 9/32 molded tread depth doesn't take well to overheating.

The 245 VR-1 was also over 1 second faster on the 10inch rim vs the 9in rim, even though the top speeds were lower.

The testing and results were also on the Harris Hill Raceway, and they stated that the results may be different on an autocross comparison, which was apparently in the newest issue.

flier129 06-25-2016 10:14 PM

6 Attachment(s)
Worth showing off my buddy Brad's NA.

15x10 6ULs, 245 VR1s
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1466907258

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1466907258

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1466907258

psyber_0ptix 06-26-2016 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by flier129 (Post 1341358)


With rub?!

7thson 06-26-2016 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1341377)
With rub?!

No rub. Fenders are seriously pulled. It fit 275 Hoosiers on 15x9 before this.

dasting 06-26-2016 08:52 AM

What camber are you able to get? I got 275s on 15x9s on my NA too with only pulling, but I was severely camber limited at the ride height that allowed me not to rub. I maxed out at -2.2*. Wasn't worth the tire.

ctdrftna 06-26-2016 10:04 AM

I haven't got my flares installed yet due to a tiny new family member. But I can see being able to make them fit with moderate camber (not absurd but a couple degrees). For drifting I run 0 to -.5 in the rear and with the wheel straight up I stick out past a non pulled fender about 20mm.

On the front you could make fit with a rolled and slighy pulled fender with normal street/race camber. Though I have not checked swaybar/ control arm rub with stock knuckles.

I have angle knuckles so I had to run a 17mm spacer to get the clearance to the sway bar and control arm.

AndyHollis 06-26-2016 09:56 PM

I ran the CRX on VR1's again today at COTA in the same config that I did the magazine test (F: 245 on 10, R: 205 on 8). Tires now have about 5/32nds of tread depth. Interesting results....

Over a second quicker, and much more resistant to overheating, even though ambients were high 80's -> low 90's. Consistent lap times throughout the session (barring traffic).

Only downside was some chunking of the inside tread from running over apex gators on power and lateral-loaded.

Did not run the Rival S today, so no direct comparison.


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1341162)
Am I allowed to say stuff referencing Grassroots Motorsports Magazine, if I have a paid subscription and read it on a physical page with my own two eyes? The information would potentially save people here some decent money.

Yeah, $6 at the newstand is a terrible financial burden. Heck, you can even get a full year subscription for $10 via the period specials. Crazy how much you have to pay for good info.

Savington 06-27-2016 01:31 AM

Rover is getting a conversion to Supermiata S1 spec with a Trackspeed turbo. I had planned to run the spec 245/40 RC-1 on 9" wheels, but this gives me hope of getting the 10s under a heavily massaged set of factory fenders. I have faith :party:

18psi 06-27-2016 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by AndyHollis (Post 1341505)



Yeah, $6 at the newstand is a terrible financial burden. Heck, you can even get a full year subscription for $10 via the period specials. Crazy how much you have to pay for good info.

for whatever it's worth, I'm fairly certain he meant "save people money by steering them away from these tires"
not "save people money by not having to buy the magazine subscription"
I have no part in the tire discussion tho, so that's just a guess

AndyHollis 06-27-2016 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1341544)
for whatever it's worth, I'm fairly certain he meant "save people money by steering them away from these tires"
not "save people money by not having to buy the magazine subscription"
I have no part in the tire discussion tho, so that's just a guess

You missed the point. Here it is more plainly:


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1329731)
GRM believes in us and what we do to publish a magazine about it, know what to test, spend the time and money to test in the hopes that you will buy a subscription, or at least that issue.


Ben 06-27-2016 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by AndyHollis (Post 1341505)
I ran the CRX on VR1's again today at COTA in the same config that I did the magazine test (F: 245 on 10, R: 205 on 8). Tires now have about 5/32nds of tread depth. Interesting results....

Over a second quicker, and much more resistant to overheating, even though ambients were high 80's -> low 90's. Consistent lap times throughout the session (barring traffic).

Only downside was some chunking of the inside tread from running over apex gators on power and lateral-loaded.

Did not run the Rival S today, so no direct comparison.

Awesome, thanks for sharing.

philstireservice 06-27-2016 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by AndyHollis (Post 1341505)
I ran the CRX on VR1's again today at COTA in the same config that I did the magazine test (F: 245 on 10, R: 205 on 8). Tires now have about 5/32nds of tread depth. Interesting results....

Over a second quicker, and much more resistant to overheating, even though ambients were high 80's -> low 90's. Consistent lap times throughout the session (barring traffic).

Only downside was some chunking of the inside tread from running over apex gators on power and lateral-loaded.

Did not run the Rival S today, so no direct comparison.



Yeah, $6 at the newstand is a terrible financial burden. Heck, you can even get a full year subscription for $10 via the period specials. Crazy how much you have to pay for good info.

Looks like shaving may help the VR1 gain some grip........

18psi 06-27-2016 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by AndyHollis (Post 1341556)
You missed the point. Here it is more plainly:

didn't realize this was such a sensitive topic
I don't subscribe (to anything) currently, but would gladly pay the $10 for a year subscription if it helps guys like you test cool new stuff for us


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