Corky Bell

Might it be that one of you young jokers would care to do a proper test on the manifold?

NC if it works. Worth $0.65/pound at the scrap yard if not.

corky

shuiend

iTrader: (24)

If you are serious I may be willing to do some testing for you sometime in the spring once I get my built motor car up and running. So far at my house I have a VICS manifold, VCTS manifold, Flat top, and your old cast manifold. If you had some spare aluminum manifolds that you have made I would be willing to get on a dyno and try them out. I can even deal not working with idle valves and what not.

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iTrader: (76)

I can also test against a VTCS and Flat-Top on an NB2

Downmented

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Myself and psyber_0ptix were actually talking about doing this with my car a few days ago. I have easy access to dyno time and would happily do some testing. We plan to test a flattop, modified honda manifold, and potentially your manifold given that the stars align properly. It would be all back to back testing with no changes other than the manifold and necessary IC piping adjustments. All same day, same dyno, same everything. Only downside is that it will still be a few months before im personally able to bring this to fruition.

Test vehicle will be a built 1.8, BP4W head, 10.5:1 pistons, full e85, EFR6258

StealthNB

Looking at both designs flat top and regular 01-05 intake manifold i prefer 01-05 if you have the tools to modify it. The runners in 01 intake manifold seem to be longer and the 01-05 "hidden" lower in plenum is way bigger than squaretop. I agree it takes some work to remove the butterflies and cut both upper and lower plenums but overall 01-05 is better intake manifold than square top in my point of view.

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iTrader: (76)

You have, literally, the worst posts of all time.

Every single thing the community has CLEARLY proven and tested, you prefer the opposite, inferior part and concept that performs much worse.

the 01-05 is terrible for making power. this is not up for debate, as it has been proven countless times with dyno plots and real world testing. it chokes like crazy past 6500 and loses about 25-30hp over the flattop and VICS. The midrange/lowend is comparable. Gutting the VTCS does nothing, which was again proven and tested by many here with results posted and easily found.

The VTCS is the inferior of the 4 oem manifolds. Inferior in every way. Gutting it does not gain power, most times it actually gives up what little it had in the first place: lowend/midrange, with no real gains up top.

Stop posting stupid nonsense before you mislead some stupid n00b like yourself.

Braineack

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rofl at prefering the worst IM known to mankind.

StealthNB

Just because I don't post 100 times a day like you does not mean I am a noob, poser. Your expensive flat top has bigger runners which means compared to 01-05, flat top is only good at WOT. If you want to debate about this, I am willing to ship my gutted 01-05 to Begi so they can compare against your garbage flat top.
I will pay the shipping too.

TurboTim

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I used a $40 shipped ebay crown vic 65mm throttle body (I've since seen them for $15-20). Same square pattern, smaller blade, came with a progressive cam that uses the miata cable end, and came with a variable tps with pig tail.

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iTrader: (76)

You're right, you post very rarely, and every single time it's stupid drivel that is opposite from the truth.

Yes, let's measure performance at part throttle...Because that's how performance is measured.....HERP DERP

Nice try Hyper

StealthNB

poser

I will love to see a dyno of both intake manifolds from a third party like Begi. A 01-05 gutted vs. the garbage flat top. Let's compare against the Begi intake manifold too. I will pay the shipping.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

cool. good to know.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

blue is garbage flat top
red is gutted VTCS manifold.


go **** yourself.

StealthNB

you too.

What type of gutting was done for the 01-05?,is it just the upper plenum or both, the lower too?

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

wait, so you actually gutted gutted it like the 99-00 VICS guys were doing and saw horrible losses and threw in the trash?

the above was just butterflies removed.

StealthNB

No. by gutting I meant, removed the butterflies. Removed the portion of the upper manifold and the "hidden plenum, chamber where EGR recirculate exhaust gases back to the engine. The runners were left alone, I meassured them too they range from 12" to 14" inches long.

And I have Hyper's plenum spacer too so I can add the spacer to the 01-05 intake manifold if I want too....

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iTrader: (76)

so show us the massive gains then...........


let's see em

surely you wouldn't post a bunch of nonsense crap that contradicts the universe without backing up the claims.....................no one would do that.................certainly you'd back up your complete bullcrap claims with actual testing/data


right?

StealthNB

I already stated I will gladly pay for shipping for a third party like BEGi to dyno test both intake manifolds. Seriously, How many times do I have to repeat the samething?

I am not longer using the modified 01-05 intake manifold but it will be cool to see what it can do against the flat top.

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iTrader: (76)

Whoa there baller, youll pay $30 to prove your moronic theory wrong but caim it's superior before its even done?

Well thats just so compelling

Wheres the quality control bot? He must cleanse us of this retardation

StealthNB

Retardation my ***, poser.

What makes more sense? Pay top dollar for an intake manifold that only makes power at WOT or use basic tools and get the same power from the OEM 01-05?

The runners in flat top intake are wider than 01-05 therefore these type of manifolds do not make enough midrange power, not for the money you pay for. The dyno graph posted by the "fuckyourselfdude" above is clear proof you fool.

Like I stated, if there is an interest for a type of test or some sort please contact me.