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Old 04-20-2013, 11:24 PM   #21
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Depends on what trigger setup you go with. Neither of those is for stock trigger setup IIRC
Is there a thread on advantages and disadvantages on the trigger setups? I figured I would just run stock
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I think Emilio touched on the subject in the thread where they initially introduced these.

I think more teeth gives you more resolution or something, but I've never had issues with the stock trigger setup so I don't try to fix whats not broken
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Yeah that's how I think also. I don't know that much about it so not going to bother.

Anyways I just bought the SuperMiata damper!
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That's like, badass and stuff.

Gary's OTR setup is awesome. Since you haz NB now, you can use the Mazdaspeed routing for the FMIC through the behind-the-headlight-hole if you want to and save several hundred dollars. Details in my build thread.

Car looks great!
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That's like, badass and stuff.

Gary's OTR setup is awesome. Since you haz NB now, you can use the Mazdaspeed routing for the FMIC through the behind-the-headlight-hole if you want to and save several hundred dollars. Details in my build thread.

Car looks great!
Thank you sir.

Since I have a NB1 I can't even see the hole, the headlight is covering it up. I really, really do not want to cut the car to route intercooler piping. I would much rather buy Gary's kit than hack my car like my other one (looks like I was drunk with a cut off wheel, hornetball can agree)
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Will the ARTech setup position your turbo in a way that will work with the TDR kit?

You could save a ton of coin by doing your own.
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I cannot possibly imagine a diy setup costing more than 300-400 but I dunno
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You can buy piping for ~$150. + Any coupler or flanges you may need.
if you can weld or a buddy who can its really cheap to do your own.
that's what I'm going to do, and get everything powder coated to. because bitches love dat ****.
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Will the ARTech setup position your turbo in a way that will work with the TDR kit?

You could save a ton of coin by doing your own.
Yes, the ARTech setup is almost identical to a FMII setup, it is a basic log manifold setup for a t25 turbo. If anything it will be less than an inch difference.

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I cannot possibly imagine a diy setup costing more than 300-400 but I dunno
If you guys can piece me together a kit for less than a TDR kit, please do. Thing is I need an intercooler, that's the bulk of the money. I've been quoted $500+ shipping for a decent intercooler, I don't want that egay stuff.
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About time you started showing us your new parts!

Looking good!
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Fastback looks great. Any fitment issues? How well is it sealed against water penetration and wind noise?
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Yes, the ARTech setup is almost identical to a FMII setup, it is a basic log manifold setup for a t25 turbo. If anything it will be less than an inch difference.
You can order FM's silicone pipes separately from their intercooler kit and buy an off-the-shelf intercooler from Precision or Vibrant for cheap. It will still be a very high quality setup.

Heck, you can even buy the complete FM intercooler setup and save 230 bucks off the TDR kit.
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If you guys can piece me together a kit for less than a TDR kit, please do. Thing is I need an intercooler, that's the bulk of the money. I've been quoted $500+ shipping for a decent intercooler, I don't want that egay stuff.
Have you been shopping for gold intercoolers from a Saudi Prince? That's ridiculous.

You can buy these bolt-in units from a member on here that use a high quality vibrant core- Miata 350HP Bolt on Intercooler

You can also pick up Precision 350 units for under 300 dollars.
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The advantage of Gary's kit is that you know it has been tested, will work, and it has ducting bits included. There's some trimming involved but most everything's been thought of for you. You're paying for convenience. Sometimes that's worth it, depends on you.
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Fastback looks great. Any fitment issues? How well is it sealed against water penetration and wind noise?
I used a foam weatherstrip around the polycarbonate and a few other places to weatherproof the car. Wind noise is very very minimal, mostly around the door seals but I cheaped out and used the old soft top weatherstrips when I should buy some hardtop stripping. Besides 2 small small little hairline cracks, that's the only places where you can hear a little wind.

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You can order FM's silicone pipes separately from their intercooler kit and buy an off-the-shelf intercooler from Precision or Vibrant for cheap. It will still be a very high quality setup.

Heck, you can even buy the complete FM intercooler setup and save 230 bucks off the TDR kit.

Have you been shopping for gold intercoolers from a Saudi Prince? That's ridiculous.

You can buy these bolt-in units from a member on here that use a high quality vibrant core- Miata 350HP Bolt on Intercooler

You can also pick up Precision 350 units for under 300 dollars.
The coolers are custom built that's why it gets expensive. I personally love the look of an over the radiator setup and it's easier to route. I have all of my old piping and my intercooler from my old car still, but fitting it just seems like a bitch.


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The advantage of Gary's kit is that you know it has been tested, will work, and it has ducting bits included. There's some trimming involved but most everything's been thought of for you. You're paying for convenience. Sometimes that's worth it, depends on you.
^^^^ This. Not only has Gary's kit been proven on several cars it's very very convenient. I don't have to worry about routing or ducting, that comes with the kit. Better brackets to move and tilt my radiator back, well built intercooler, it just seems to be a no brainer to purchase his kit than piece one together.

I really would like to do an OTR setup because:
1) No room behind headlight for hotside (not cutting a hole)
2) Looks
3) Routing the hotside around my a/c and p/s seems like a huge bitch.
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The coolers are custom built that's why it gets expensive.
You don't have to buy a custom one. I linked you to a bolt-in unit for just over 300 dollars.
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it just seems to be a no brainer to purchase his kit than piece one together.
I think the thing I can't get over (as well as others on here) is spending a grand on an intercooler setup that won't work any better/worse than the ones people make for around half the price.
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1) No room behind headlight for hotside (not cutting a hole)
Clock the turbo down.
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3) Routing the hotside around my a/c and p/s seems like a huge bitch.
FM sells their hotside piece that clears both a/c and p/s. It's one solid piece that connects the turbo to the intercooler and it's just over 100 dollars.

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2) Looks
I guess this is what it comes down to. It's hard to stray away from aesthetically pleasing parts. I know, lol.

Good luck and post lots of pics.
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Maybe that's a better route to take. FM piping with a vibrant cooler? I didn't know if FM would sell the piping separate or not, would definitely be cheaper if all I have to worry about is cutting a few holes in my under tray.
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This is where I buy my intercoolers:
Precision Turbo Complete Air-to-Air Intercooler: NLM
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After spending hours and hours researching intercoolers, I've concluded that If I wanted the best intercooler, I'd get a Precision, Garrett, ETS, or Bell.

That's about it.

Don't get the FM. From what I've seen their cores are nowhere near the quality or design yet cost just as much as the above mentioned.

Vibrant is also a good quality knock off. I know this because I have one. Its nice, but the design is similar to the ebay knockoffs, just better constructed and using better materials, so its way more sturdy.

You're welcome to take any route you want, its your cars, we're just giving input to help you better make your decisions. If ultimately you want the least amount of fabrication required least amount of headaches, then yeah the kit you're looking at is not a bad idea at all.
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After spending hours and hours researching intercoolers, I've concluded that If I wanted the best intercooler, I'd get a Precision, Garrett, ETS, or Bell.

That's about it.

Don't get the FM. From what I've seen their cores are nowhere near the quality or design yet cost just as much as the above mentioned.

Vibrant is also a good quality knock off. I know this because I have one. Its nice, but the design is similar to the ebay knockoffs, just better constructed and using better materials, so its way more sturdy.

You're welcome to take any route you want, its your cars, we're just giving input to help you better make your decisions. If ultimately you want the least amount of fabrication required least amount of headaches, then yeah the kit you're looking at is not a bad idea at all.
ETS quoted me $500 for a cooler (that's the OTR cooler I want), waiting for Stephanie with BEGI to respond tomorrow with her price (assuming bell as in begi?)

I would just want the piping from FM, not the actual cooler itself.

I have a EIII USA cooler, which didn't give me bad IAT's, they were pretty smooth but I guess it's similar to a vibrant. Not sure really
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I think this is the hardest decision on which route to take for my whole build, I pretty much have everything else planned out.

Would FM piping be worth it? Or should I attempt something else. I just do not want to half *** this step cause then I will get angry and cut more **** than needed like my last car. Again, that's not going to happen!
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IF you go the traditional routing, a Precision 350 is just under 300 bux new. They are one of the best. The FM piping will likely work with it, so you're at about 700 and would have to make 2 very simple brackets to hang the cooler, and you're done
Yes bell is begi, though bell intercoolers appears to be a "seperate" company.
I also heard begi can make you some nice IC piping for roughly 400 (what they did for y8s and his non-traditional ETD setup) and his looked and fit great.

I'm not trying to talk you out of the TDR setup. Just giving you other options. I personally don't like otr setups but I'm weird like that.
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