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Jeffbucc 02-19-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1207646)
You need to get married. I was you until I got married. Now I'm G

Marriage would most likely put the car funds to a grinding halt, apparently my girlish figure as well...


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1207669)
When I went to POW training (SERE), I only lost about 5 pounds. Guys like Jeff would end up getting pulled from training and would have to repeat it. :giggle:

I would die. How long do they deprive you of food/water? I can't go more than 12 hours without eating a big meal. I always have on-the-go snacks(fruit snacks/trail bars yadda yadda) on me at all times.

Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1207669)
End of Conspiracy Theory threadjack. I feel guilty about threadjacking here instead of in Ed's thread. :party:

Good work all, it was an epic thread drift that only the power of bacon or donuts could instigate.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1424385865

turbofan 02-19-2015 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1207669)
End of Conspiracy Theory threadjack. I feel guilty about threadjacking here instead of in Ed's thread. :party:

:bowrofl: props, and truth.


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1207675)
Lol, thats like 2 minutes away from Ed's. Ed go tell us how good the donuts are.

Seriously I drive by that donut shop literally twice per day (to and from work). Will stop and try it, maybe tomorrow morning on my way to work.

Report forthcoming.

18psi 02-19-2015 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1207660)
I used to climb hills and wield a 24" bar chainsaw and run a backhoe all day erry day for like 5~6 years. Caloric intake was ridiculous. Then I got past 30, got married, got a desk job and gained no shit 40lbs. This month I've started swimming again, so hopefully that takes a bite out of my ass.

The more weight I lose, the faster my car will be :party:

you're still my backhoe doe

EO2K 02-19-2015 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1207751)
you're still my backhoe doe

:rofl::facepalm:

hornetball 02-19-2015 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1207747)
I would die. How long do they deprive you of food/water? I can't go more than 12 hours without eating a big meal. I always have on-the-go snacks(fruit snacks/trail bars yadda yadda) on me at all times.

For the Navy version circa late-80s, no food for a week. Obviously, you get water -- can't live without that. In theory, you can scrounge off the land during the Survival/Evasion phase (so long as you don't leave tracks/clues that get you captured), but the training areas are always picked clean. Plus, I did mine in the middle of Maine in early December. There was nothing.

When you get "liberated," they feed you. But it's only things like soup, milk and scrambled eggs. Your esophagus gets really, really sore because it has to re-stretch. Wierd. Lots of medical people are there in the background keeping a close eye on things (and to pull the poor Jeff's out of training, LOL).

Now, back to donuts. And bacon.

Mobius 02-19-2015 07:28 PM

Yes, Ed, bring me some of them donuts so I can compare to Voodoo. Yes Jeff, those were voodoo.

I'm somewhere in between Jeff and G. The remnant metabolism from the competitive swimming days has kept me from putting on a significant amount of weight, but I'm definitely not 5% body fat any more. And I'm one of those guys who only puts on weight on the belly - so it shows immediately as a nice middleaged pooch.

Consistently getting to the pool is the best thing I can do. But so much wrenching! And my family expects me to, like, converse with them and stuff! GOSH. So little time left for exercise. About the only way I can consistently get it done is to get my ass out of bed before everybody else, and do it before breakfast. Otherwise the day just gets consumed by stuff.

turbofan 02-19-2015 08:48 PM

Richard are you coming to the meet thing in Tualatin tonight? If so I'll bring donuts. If not then I won't.

EO2K 02-19-2015 09:03 PM

Such an enabler :rofl:

aidandj 02-19-2015 09:13 PM

I'm currently looking into 2 jobs, 1 has a soccer field on campus and an awesome group of hlguys who play for an hour everyday. The other one doesn't. I honestly don't think anything will convince me to pass on the job with soccer, unless theres a 5 figure salary difference.mostly because I have absolutely no self motivation to excersize. And the health costs of weighing 300 lbs easily offset the money difference.

Mobius 02-19-2015 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1207802)
Richard are you coming to the meet thing in Tualatin tonight? If so I'll bring donuts. If not then I won't.

No, I'm solo with the kids tonight, I gots the parentals duties yo.

Mobius 02-19-2015 10:41 PM

Take the soccer job - it means they have a culture of "get all the shit done, including exercise" as opposed to "the beatings will continue until morale improves"

aidandj 02-20-2015 12:11 AM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1207843)
Take the soccer job - it means they have a culture of "get all the shit done, including exercise" as opposed to "the beatings will continue until morale improves"

I interned there over the summer, and the culture is my favorite part of it. Now if they would just finalize the offer so I can blow the rest of my money on car parts...

turbofan 02-20-2015 01:37 PM

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Donut Day achieved:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1424457434

The aftermath:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1424457434

Donuts were yummy. Kinda undercooked as Jeff said.

Edit: I better explain that photo. I bought 18 donuts and took them all over the dealership to the different departments. I ended up eating 2.5 of them (or, rather, am in the process of eating 2.5... not sure I'll make it) and the ones in the box are what's left. I need to figure out what to do with them.

aidandj 02-20-2015 01:38 PM

Not even a single maple bar? What is wrong with you man :rofl:

Jeffbucc 02-20-2015 01:45 PM

I have no love of the maple bar either Ed. That is of course, unless swank maple syrup is used for good flavor.


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1208045)
Kinda undercooked as Jeff said.

Tell them to up their oil temp, lower the dough weight, and add a hint more yeast and or proof longer.:facepalm:

aidandj 02-20-2015 01:47 PM

Next time any of you are in Corvallis you need to try out Nut Cakes, they are awesome.

NutCakes - Home

They also have a donut burger...glazed donut for the bun with a cheeze burger in the middle. Sounds gross, tastes fucking amazing.....once again how am I not 300lbs.

turbofan 02-20-2015 02:01 PM

Lol... I did get one maple bar, someone snagged it. Remember, there were 18 donuts and I didn't get more than 2 of any one kind. I do like the maple bacon bar from Voodoo.

I dunno, I kinda like the chewy soft ones. I'm one of the people who loves a Krispy Kreme original glazed but I can enjoy both styles.

rleete 02-20-2015 02:07 PM

I hate all you donut eating bastards.

I have been on a diet since January. Only lost 9.5 pounds so far, and I have given up such nice things as donuts. Today I stopped taking one of my meds that I suspect contributes to my inability to lose weight even when nearly starving myself.

hornetball 02-20-2015 02:38 PM

I'll take one of the chocolates Ed! And a new Miata at buddy pricing!

Is it time to change the thread title yet? "MT.net Donut Thread."

Mobius 02-20-2015 02:58 PM

"Mobius's Build thread: Donuts, bitches!"

turbofan 02-20-2015 02:58 PM

If you're serious about the Miata at buddy pricing let me know. I seriously whore these things out. I'm the dealership car whore. I lose money so the retail department doesn't have to.

I say this as a joke, but unfortunately it's not a joke.

leboeuf 02-20-2015 03:08 PM

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Duuuuuude you're killing me. Where's the buttermilk! BUTTERMILK!!!
Ahh the tv hwy slums... It's almost been a year now...

edit: to the left there
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1424463178

turbofan 02-20-2015 03:17 PM

I was buying donuts to take to work. I skipped the fancy ones, too rich for my blood.

Mobius 02-20-2015 11:08 PM

Carry on with sidetracks.

I view this thread not as a single thread, spun only by myself, but rather as a tapestry, a fabric, the whole cloth of which is woven communally by all of us together, enriching all of us in unforeseen and unexpected ways.

But to be on-topic for a moment, :vash::vash::vash::vash::vash::vash:

It puts the reroute hose on the reroute neck before it puts the engine in the car, or it gets the 3 hour hose job.

Oh my lord. The problem wasn't getting the hose by itself onto the neck, it was getting hose + any kind of hose clamp onto it. There's something right there on the back of the vvt head; there's just enough clearance for the hose to go on easily. Adding a hose clamp of any type requires compressing the hose on that side. OMG. I have paid the blood tax several times. Pictures in a bit.

aidandj 02-20-2015 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1208237)
Carry on with sidetracks.

I view this thread not as a single thread, spun only by myself, but rather as a tapestry, a fabric, the whole cloth of which is woven communally by all of us together, enriching all of us in unforeseen and unexpected ways.

But to be on-topic for a moment, :vash::vash::vash::vash::vash::vash:

It puts the reroute hose on the reroute neck before it puts the engine in the car, or it gets the 3 hour hose job.

Oh my lord. The problem wasn't getting the hose by itself onto the neck, it was getting hose + any kind of hose clamp onto it. There's something right there on the back of the vvt head; there's just enough clearance for the hose to go on easily. Adding a hose clamp of any type requires compressing the hose on that side. OMG. I have paid the blood tax several times. Pictures in a bit.

Mother of god, I know your pain. When I put my engine in I got the hose stuck under the shock tower shelf and had to loosen the clamp on the back. We spent an hour trying to tighten the t-bolt clamp with a box wrench, then went to home depot and bought racheting box wrenches and that helped. I was really tempted to just take a hammer to the body back there when I had the head off. Thermostat changes are going to make me want to die.

Mobius 02-20-2015 11:41 PM

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FM's crossflow radiator has the radiator neck all the way at the very far left of the radiator. The 4.8L Tahoe hose wouldn't work for me, I need a straight shot up the side of the engine to the radiator neck.

So I spent some time hose hunting :giggle:

These are from O'Reilly's auto parts. When I go back, I will find and post the applications so they may be more easily found elsewhere. The parts cross-reference should get you to the right hose, but you never know.

They are McMaster Pro 21171 and 22080. About $34 with the $4 joiner kit.

Here are the two hoses I found:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1424492920

The long hose almost works by itself, but the 90 part isn't long enough to get from the waterneck to the side of the engine. The short hose, conveniently, has exactly the same angle in it as the longer hose, allowing for easy extension.

The part numbers, close up:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1424492920

I began by test fitting the small hose, and trimmed it for length.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1424492920

Then I overlaid the long hose and decided on my cut points for the joiner.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1424492920

And then, easy peasy, just like FUCKING MAGIC, the short hose is now Tbolted to the water neck in back. Like any good MT.net member, I solved my tightness problem with copius amounts of lube and repeated application of brute force. That's the coolant fitting for the OEM sandwich plate --> TB etc, and it is flush with the hose. If that can be removed, I recommend doing so, rather than capping it.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1424492920

After that, the long hose practically installs itself, needing only a trim off the long end:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1424492933

Mobius 02-20-2015 11:42 PM

I will pull the engine to change that thermostat. For Surrus.

Edit: if Curly installed that Tstat backwards I'm unfriending him on FaceBook. For reals.

curly 02-20-2015 11:52 PM

Lol, a lot is riding on that 60 seconds of labor done while drinking beer number......3? 4? Yeah, 4.

Mobius 02-20-2015 11:55 PM

Yes, and I was there ... I will still unfriend you though.

I was going to go out to the garage and, umm, "clamp my hose" but I've lost all motivation now that I've plumbed up the two new kegs.

aidandj 02-21-2015 12:21 AM

I get nightmares that my tstat got installed backwards.

Ryan_G 02-21-2015 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1208237)
Carry on with sidetracks.

I view this thread not as a single thread, spun only by myself, but rather as a tapestry, a fabric, the whole cloth of which is woven communally by all of us together, enriching all of us in unforeseen and unexpected ways.

But to be on-topic for a moment, :vash::vash::vash::vash::vash::vash:

It puts the reroute hose on the reroute neck before it puts the engine in the car, or it gets the 3 hour hose job.

Oh my lord. The problem wasn't getting the hose by itself onto the neck, it was getting hose + any kind of hose clamp onto it. There's something right there on the back of the vvt head; there's just enough clearance for the hose to go on easily. Adding a hose clamp of any type requires compressing the hose on that side. OMG. I have paid the blood tax several times. Pictures in a bit.

I had this same problem. Then I loosened the two bolts and pulled the spacer and housing off of the head a bit and the hose and clamp slid right on. Then i tightened the assembly back onto the head.

aidandj 02-21-2015 12:41 AM

My issue with that was that the bolts were just as hard to reach as the t-bolt bolt.

Mobius 02-21-2015 12:43 AM

Ah, yes, that would work but I also watched how the thermostat wanted to not stay in place in its groove, and had to be reseated twice, when Josh and I were assembling it on the stand. Wasn't going to go there unless I absolutely had to.

Mobius 02-21-2015 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1208261)
My issue with that was that the bolts were just as hard to reach as the t-bolt bolt.

And that, yes.

aidandj 02-21-2015 12:44 AM

If you use the self adhesive baskets you can use them to stick the thermostat into the spacer, for future reference.

turbofan 02-21-2015 12:45 AM

What is wrong with a remote mount thermostat as long as you use normal thermostats? It takes me less than 5 minutes to swap a tstat (plus burping time of course).

Mobius 02-21-2015 12:50 AM

I have an Mtuned reroute sitting in my workbench drawer. I wasn't going to run it without the BP26-10-271 head gasket also, so it sat there. Now that I had a chance to install a reroute and the head gasket, this CNC piece had appeared, and I like it for the following reasons.

1) the thermostat is attached directly to the head, and sees immediately whatever the head coolant temp is.

2) there's not a big dongle clanking around hanging off the back of the head that I have to secure.

3) with the dongle, there's necessarily a lag in that coolant getting hot enough to open up the thermostat. For all practical purposes, it works fine. But this cnc piece is simpler.

Mobius 02-21-2015 12:53 AM

Plan for tomorrow, assuming no sweetie-pie interruptions:

Clamp up the upper hose
Install lower hose
route vac line to the MS3
ziptie all the vac line things
install fluids
verify some settings from Reverant for the 36-2 wheel

..........

Turn key and ... Profit? will make sure GoPro is charged and running.

You guys want Header Only for first start, right? :party:

EO2K 02-21-2015 12:53 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1208265)
What is wrong with a remote mount thermostat as long as you use normal thermostats? It takes me less than 5 minutes to swap a tstat (plus burping time of course).

I believe they have the Begi-style poverty reroute, rather than the balleur M-tuned we be rockin' :burncash:

Mobius 02-21-2015 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1208267)
I believe they have the Begi poverty reroute, rather than the balleur M-tuned we be rockin' :burncash:

The only BEGI part remaining on my car is the two-nipple vacuum port provider in the brake line.

turbofan 02-21-2015 12:59 AM

I hear you, but I have the same number of extra connections in my line as you do (one) and you've got to secure that long hose anyway (that's what she said) so I don't really see the benefit. The coolant temp thing only matters on initial warmup, so I guess initial warmup times will be fractionally longer weigh a remote mount setup.

Iono. I do like those CNC housings.

aidandj 02-21-2015 10:18 AM

$$$. Spacer = 60$ + hose. M-tuned = more.

I will try and stop by today and give you resbond/offer a hand if needed.

Mobius 02-21-2015 10:20 AM

That would be cool. Text me a heads-up. Any time after mid-morning should be fine.

aidandj 02-21-2015 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1208317)
That would be cool. Text me a heads-up. Any time after mid-morning should be fine.

Will do.

curly 02-21-2015 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1208270)
I hear you, but I have the same number of extra connections in my line as you do (one) and you've got to secure that long hose anyway (that's what she said) so I don't really see the benefit. The coolant temp thing only matters on initial warmup, so I guess initial warmup times will be fractionally longer weigh a remote mount setup.

Iono. I do like those CNC housings.

The M-tuned housing is indeed very nice, however the one car we've had overheating problems in, while running a reroute, is....yours. Running an m-tuned. Put that data point on your graph and smoke it.

All kidding aside, the first few features listed on 949's site for the M-tuned reroute setup is basically a list of downsides to the spacer+kia part+GM hose reroute.

System features

Allows use of EGR system - spacer setup does not
Fits any induction or ignition system - spacer setup does not

aidandj 02-21-2015 11:18 AM

Checked. M-tuned = 329, spacer reroute = like 80$.

Mobius 02-21-2015 11:41 AM

Plus gaskets thermostat and hoses, but still $200 cheaper.

turbofan 02-21-2015 11:57 AM

OK I can get behind that reason, you betcha.

I'm sure glad I sorted my overheating problem AFTER ruining my cylinder head. That's great.

EO2K 02-21-2015 01:32 PM

I bought my M-Tuned used, so suckit :rofl:

Geez, calm down people. Since when do we get all wound up about friendly, good-natured ribbing? Reroute is reroute and better than stock no matter how you slice it. I like the CNC spacer, I thought it was pretty neat but I was already invested in another solution.

But seriously... isn't this thing supposed to start this weekend? Its like 10:30, you guys can't possibly be so drunk that you haven't made progress yet ;)

EO2K 02-21-2015 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1208372)
But seriously... isn't this thing supposed to start this weekend? Its like 10:30, you guys can't possibly be so drunk that you haven't made progress yet ;)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1424561554

I'm rootin' for you guys! Is no news good news?

aidandj 02-21-2015 06:33 PM

I just left and he was getting close. Vacuum lines were run and the ECU was being installed.

Mobius 02-21-2015 09:00 PM

Aannnnnnnnnd

My wife left with the kids, leaving me alone in the garage. SWEET! and all my distilled water.
Now that they are back, garage time is over.

So:

Oil is in
Coolant is half in
Vac lines all run
MS3 hooked up - can module hooked up - LC1 digital hooked up
Rear O2 removed and hole in tunnel plugged


Remaining:

a couple of settings from Rev

O2 bung in midpipe, LC1 won't reach header bung

Finish filling coolant.


Sunday is family time. Start has to wait until Monday.

curly 02-21-2015 10:26 PM

I do work, but I'm not carpooling Monday, FYI.

Mobius 02-22-2015 12:14 AM

Then you should stop by on the way home for an update.

Mobius 02-24-2015 12:57 AM

Success - car has fired. After initial non-firing, we had to do some investigating. Best part was after having cranked the car for a good 15-20 seconds, Curly wanted to test the coils. So we tested the coils through MS - and

POOM

The dryer outlet hose I use to route the exhaust out of the garage, goes flying out of the garage. OK coils work!

Crank sensor had too much gap. After that was adjusted, and fixing a mapping problem between the MS3 and the injectors, car fired up.

TODO list:

figure out why LC1 digital serial is not being read (MS3 reads 7.5 regardless). I'll send an email to Rev tonight about things to check.

And then drive.

I have to give huge props to Curly here, none of this engine rebuild would have happened without him. Thanks Josh.

Reverant 02-24-2015 02:06 AM

Make sure you are using the LC-1's OUT port, not the IN port.

Mobius 02-24-2015 02:10 AM

Will check that tomorrow, didn't even consider that when plugging things in.

Mobius 02-24-2015 02:18 AM

I have to re-emphasize once again how awesome the backfire that shot the dryer hose outof the garage was.

Mini-cannon.

Good times.

18psi 02-24-2015 09:03 AM

congrats!!

curly 02-24-2015 09:06 AM

I thought we got it on camera?!


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