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18psi 10-08-2017 01:53 AM

Without a log it's just a cool story bro. lol

sonofthehill 10-08-2017 03:37 AM

See. I even downloaded a free app on my phone that can log for me.
But you need to change your plugs

Monk 10-08-2017 06:13 AM


sixshooter 10-08-2017 06:59 AM

^Monk beat me to it.

Actually, detonation is easier at cooler ambient temperatures because the air is more dense. It generates more cylinder pressure and makes more power, too.

18psi 10-08-2017 10:54 AM

I would highly doubt it's det. He's running an uber conservative map made for 91, on much higher octane fuel, at wg pressure.

Possibly spark plug(s) or the janky NB1 ignition system is finally telling you to go LS coil

sixshooter 10-08-2017 11:01 AM

Not using LS coils? Start there.

EO2K 10-08-2017 03:58 PM

Failed at SD card, but I did discover I was temp range 5 plugs, so I swapped them out for 7s. Of the 2 sessions I've run so far today, I only got the miss at the end of the second session.

According to MT wisom, my car shouldn't even run with the NB1 coil pack, so I'm going to chalk it up to that. I've got pretty much every other ignition option hiding in my garage, so I've got options.

Mobius 10-09-2017 02:00 AM

5s wow. Yeah the 7s should help a lot.

EO2K 10-09-2017 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1444603)
5s wow. Yeah the 7s should help a lot.

It helped some, but I was still getting the miss. The difference is that through judicious application of load (eg: try not to stomp on the loud pedal as much) I could control it and could almost estimate when it was going to happen. The most telling incident was after the 5-6 minute holdup where we had to re-grid in my second to last session. And the incident in question was the lack of incident. That delay let things cool down enough that I was able to go heavy on the throttle through the rest of the session without any sort of misfire.

Coils are the first thing I'm going to throw at it.

The problem, as I see it, is the misfire would only pop up in the last couple laps (4-6min) of the session after things had been run hard for an extended amount of time. Sessions were about 20min (iirc) so there is virtually nowhere I can reproduce this set of conditions in public without getting arrested or dying. I guess I could try to do it on a load holding dyno with the hood down, but that sounds expensive and excessive. I guess I'll just have to run more trackdays :D

aidandj 10-09-2017 08:12 PM

Logs are useless at determining misfires. I've tried a bunch.

Your car is fast Gordon. Maybe shoot for 2 track days next year?

codrus 10-09-2017 08:13 PM

Might want to throw a cam sensor in there too, just for good measure.

--ian

sixshooter 10-09-2017 08:49 PM

How are your coils shielded from the exhaust?

18psi 10-09-2017 08:50 PM

by a non-existent heat shield.

looks so good too

aidandj 10-09-2017 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1444770)
How are your coils shielded from the exhaust?

By being NB1 coils behind the head.

18psi 10-09-2017 08:52 PM

look at it, it's right here --> <-- 100% efficient too :D

Mobius 10-09-2017 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1444755)
Logs are useless at determining misfires. I've tried a bunch.

Your car is fast Gordon. Maybe shoot for 2 track days next year?


QFT

Mobius 10-09-2017 09:25 PM

So Gordon didn't ride with me in my car, and I didn't ride with Gordon in his car. We did not cross-pollinate each other with our own special brands of epic mediocrity despite this being, correct me if I am wrong, the first time in the history of the Miata universe that two former brotrex Bros turned EFR Bros were physically colocated at the same track event.

Sad!

18psi 10-09-2017 10:31 PM

Or: you both didn't break anything. So there's the glass half full part :)

EO2K 10-10-2017 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1444755)
Your car is fast Gordon. Maybe shoot for 2 track days next year?

My car is fuggin fast as frick. No Joke.

The addition of the Recaros, 6pt harness and Xidas have dramatically changed the car. I'll blather about this later in some terrible wall-of-text post, rife with spelling errors and emotional glop, as is my way.


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1444756)
Might want to throw a cam sensor in there too, just for good measure.

--ian

Good call. I believe I have spares.


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1444770)
How are your coils shielded from the exhaust?


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1444772)
by a non-existent heat shield.


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1444773)
By being NB1 coils behind the head.


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1444783)
QFT

All of the above. Its an NB1 coil pack, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!

I know you all want me to go LSx coils, but I'm not going to do it :loser:

Not right now anyway. I've got a set of Trackspeed Toyota COPs sitting in my garage and while I had origionally built a harness to run them in batch, I'm going to rebuild it and see what I can do about adding a couple more wires so I can run sequential. I suspect I will ruin my car in the process, so stay tuned for updates! :bigtu:


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1444784)
So Gordon didn't ride with me in my car, and I didn't ride with Gordon in his car. We did not cross-pollinate each other with our own special brands of epic mediocrity despite this being, correct me if I am wrong, the first time in the history of the Miata universe that two former brotrex Bros turned EFR Bros were physically colocated at the same track event.

Sad!

This is QUITE true, though I must say, if any of you dear readers have the chance to meet Mr. Möbius at some point in the future, please do so. He is a gentleman and scholar, and if you have any anti-vaxxer friends, he would love to meet them ;)


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1444797)
Or: you both didn't break anything. So there's the glass half full part :)

No joke. Lots of breaking this time around. Codrus lost a transmission, aidandj may well have lost a motor, turbofan managed to get a leak in an AN fitting that supplied coolant to his turbo, a leak though the internal swivel o-ring seal that grounded his car all weekend, afm lost a coil on his NB2 and cxracer snapped off all the bolts between his downpipe and turbo. Madness!

ridethecliche 10-10-2017 09:19 PM

IN 4 Anti-Vaxxer story

Mobius 10-10-2017 10:39 PM

It's in the officially unofficial official MRLS thread.

EO2K 11-06-2017 07:02 PM

So I managed to reproduce the "miss" I was feeling at MRLS on the street. I'm down to maybe ~2g in the tank, and I can get it to "miss" on highway on ramps if I get crazy and HULK-SMASH the throttle. I'm guessing that I've found the same fuel return issue that so many others are seeing when they pull the internal regulator on an NB in favor of an external vac referenced regulator. With no data to back up my claims, I've decided to order parts in an attempt to fix it.

This adapter installs in the boss where the old regulator lived in the tank
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1024_.jpg
- Listed as "For Toyota Starlet , AE86 and 2JZ Supra" This is the one @codrus told me to buy, so I assume its correct.

This is the adapter that changes it from -6AN to a 3/8" hose barb:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1dOqQUahoL.jpg
- Mine ended up being anno black

And this is the Gates submersible fuel hose that goes inside the tank:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1500_.jpg
- It needs to be listed as submersible. The external jacket and some of the internal structure of standard fuel line is NOT rated for long term submersion in a fuel tank. You have been warned.

The packages ended up looking like thus:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8508dad7b6.jpg


And once its all stuck together....
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...73b5b30a8e.jpg

So now I just need to pull the pump hangar assembly, bolt it up, cut the hose to length, add a zip tie to keep it from wandering around, reassemble and give it a rip. Here's hoping!

Unfortunately its become cold and rainy out here, so HULK-SMASH throttle activities are going to be curtailed for the time being, but I'll figure something out.

Savington 11-06-2017 08:11 PM

In lieu of the adapters, 30 seconds with a hacksaw will give you something to slip some 5/16" hose over. It's not under pressure.

EO2K 11-06-2017 08:32 PM

Oh I know. For the majority of people following along at home that would be the easy button, and probably the "right" way to do it. But why do it "right" when I can throw $30 worth of parts at something? ;)

Unfortunately I need that flange intact. For reasons.

DNMakinson 11-07-2017 09:49 AM

That return set-up will do it.

But, please, put the COP’s on, at least. Or buy my ‘99 coil packs for back-ups and add to your parts bin.

EO2K 11-07-2017 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1450145)
Or buy my ‘99 coil packs for back-ups and add to your parts bin.

I have 3 NB1 coil packs, how many more would you like to sell me? :giggle:

18psi 11-07-2017 11:25 AM

You need at least 69 more. And never install any of them.
In fact, I firmly believe you should switch to 1.6 ignition and batch fueling.
I'd suggest carburation, but that's too much work.

codrus 11-07-2017 11:48 AM

Get rid of the coil packs, cut a hole in the firewall, install a distributor.

--Ian

icantlearn 11-07-2017 02:34 PM

Carburator? Pshhh. You just need a tube going from the tank to the intake mani. No regulators or anything like that. Thats how you break stuff.

EO2K 12-27-2017 12:05 PM

Miata is currently shod in 195s on stock 15x6 and loaded to the hilt with various extra Miata parts while I'm preparing for the 5h drive to NorCal. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?! :party:

sonofthehill 12-27-2017 01:08 PM

Swing by for a pit stop if you want.

Cxracer 12-27-2017 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1458753)
Miata is currently shod in 195s on stock 15x6 and loaded to the hilt with various extra Miata parts while I'm preparing for the 5h drive to NorCal. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?! :party:

Don’t you mean Nor-NorCal?Let’s set up some track days at T-Hill this year! Got the turbo bolted back on but it still idles like shit. Now I just have to replace my other melted bits like the speedo cable.

EO2K 12-27-2017 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by Cxracer (Post 1458778)
Don’t you mean Nor-NorCal?Let’s set up some track days at T-Hill this year! Got the turbo bolted back on but it still idles like shit. Now I just have to replace my other melted bits like the speedo cable.

Absolutely! I'm just down the road from T-Hill now. Not as class as I was to MRLS, but still pretty darn close.

Originally Posted by sonofthehill (Post 1458762)
Swing by for a pit stop if you want.

Thanks Carlos, but we stuck to I-5 this time. I appreciate the offer and the wife and I will have to take you up on that another time :bigtu:

NB made it just fine to NorCal without explodificating, so at least that's one thing I can check off the list :D

turbofan 12-28-2017 09:20 AM

Wait, did you move?

18psi 12-28-2017 12:49 PM

yes. he couldn't stand living so far away from me :party:

codrus 12-28-2017 01:26 PM

Nah, he just wanted a better Sheriff. :)

--Ian

good2go 12-28-2017 01:42 PM

But who's going to grow my lettuce now?

EO2K 12-29-2017 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1458907)
Wait, did you move?

Yep! New jerb and everything! I'm a fat cat government employee now :D

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1458946)
yes. he couldn't stand living so far away from me :party:

This is true, we met up yesterday and I received stolen property acquired more Subaru parts

Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1458962)
Nah, he just wanted a better Sheriff. :)

I've been in NorCal for 3 weeks and I've already bought a gun and started growing a beard. No State of Jefferson tattoo though.

Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1458964)
But who's going to grow my lettuce now?

You should try growing it yourself, its not terribly difficult. The challenge is scale.

sonofthehill 12-29-2017 07:25 PM

:rofl:

Stop by anytime, it's more fun around here in the summertime anyway.

codrus 12-29-2017 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1459075)
I've been in NorCal for 3 weeks and I've already bought a gun and started growing a beard.

I was going to say "only one?" but then I remembered the one-per-30-days rule applies even there. Lame. :)

--Ian

Lokiel 12-29-2017 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1458964)
But who's going to grow my lettuce now?

"Lettuce" - is that what the kid's are calling it these days :P

sonofthehill 12-29-2017 10:08 PM

:hahano:

There may be another benefit, I know some folks around those parts don't have the same "reasons" as the rest of us.

EO2K 04-29-2018 09:30 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e361805da6.jpg
Soon? :cry:

turbofan 04-29-2018 11:47 PM

This looks familiar. Seems as though your car has sat as long as mine did.

Fireindc 04-30-2018 01:28 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1479615)
This looks familiar. Seems as though your car has sat as long as mine did.

I wouldn't know a thing about this.

EO2K 04-30-2018 01:10 PM

Yeah, that's the trouble with moving. Too much other priority crap before getting to the fun stuff.

Good news is there were no rats under the hood or squirrel nests under the seats, so I'm feeling better about that. I need to retrieve the battery so I can put it on a trickle charger for the next millennium and hope my brand new yellow top survives 4 months of Miata dark current. :facepalm:

18psi 04-30-2018 01:28 PM

I'm sure you probably know, but I literally just "revived" a red top 2 weeks ago and it worked:

RECOVERY OPTION #2: THE DIY SOLUTION FOR CHARGING A DEEPLY DISCHARGED BATTERY.
This is a recovery method for the do-it-yourselfer using the equipment you've got in the garage. With this option, you're going to trick your traditional charger into charging the deeply discharged AGM battery.

Here's what you need:

Battery charger (under 15 amps)
Jumper cables
A good battery, preferably above 12.2 volts. (It can be an AGM or flooded battery- it doesn't matter.)
The seemingly dead, deeply discharged AGM battery
A voltage meter
A watch or timer
Now, here's what you do:

Hook up the good battery and deeply discharged AGM battery in parallel – positive to positive and negative to negative. Do not have the charger connected to the battery or turned on at this stage.

Now, hook up the good battery to the charger. Turn on the charger. The charger will "see" the voltage of the good battery (hooked up in parallel), and start providing a charge.

After the batteries have been hooked up for about an hour, check to see if the AGM battery is slightly warm or hot to the touch. Batteries naturally become warm during charging, but excessive heat may be an indication that there really is something wrong with the battery. Discontinue charging immediately if the battery is hot to the touch. Also discontinue the process if you hear the battery "gassing" — a hissing sound coming from the safety valves. If it's hot or gassing, STOP CHARGING IMMEDIATELY!

With your voltage meter, check back often to see if the AGM battery has charged to 10.5 volts or above. This generally takes less than two hours with a 10-amp charger. If it has, disconnect the charger from the wall outlet and remove the good battery from the charger. Now, connect only the deeply discharged AGM battery to the charger. Turn on the charger and continue until the AGM battery reaches a full charge, or until the automatic charger completes the charge process. In most cases, the AGM battery will be recovered.

EO2K 11-12-2018 06:38 PM

Guess who's still alive, bitches?!
 
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ad437ac514.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5c9628bd29.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...49cd4a73fc.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c20111be63.jpg

Fuck you Camp Fire

DNMakinson 11-12-2018 08:34 PM

I was concerned. Good to hear from you again.

codrus 11-12-2018 08:44 PM

So what's in the cardboard box on the fuel tank?

--Ian

EO2K 11-12-2018 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1510760)
I was concerned. Good to hear from you again.

Thanks man :bigtu:

Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1510761)
So what's in the cardboard box on the fuel tank?

--Ian

I dunno, roadflares? Thermite? Ammunition? :dunno:

Cxracer 11-12-2018 11:02 PM

Are you back in your house again or do you have to stay away for a while? Everything ok in your house?

EO2K 11-13-2018 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cxracer (Post 1510776)
Are you back in your house again or do you have to stay away for a while? Everything ok in your house?

Yep, back in the house. We got an evacuation warning Friday afternoon and by the time we left, they were putting out structure fires about 1/4 mile from our place. We spent a couple of days with my Mom up in Redding. Lots of ash, cinders and bits of burnt crap that rained down into the yard, but we made it through just fine. Unfortunately others in the extended family were not so lucky. No fatalities at this point, but many have been impacted. The in-laws lost their home, and at least 4 members of my sister in laws family also lost their homes. My brother & sister in laws house appears to have survived, but they lost their vehicles, out buildings (shop, barn, etc) and their business in downtown Paradise. The smoke is pretty bad up here, but its not terrible as long as you stay indoors. We stopped by the Redding Costco and bought a huge mountain of jackets, socks and underwear that I'm going to go drop by one of the donation centers tomorrow. I prefer to donate material things that people can actually use, rather than hoping that at least $0.75 of my dollar makes it to those in need.

Miata & Subaru are dirty as shit. I accidentally left one of the back windows in the WRX open about 1" and now its full of disgusting wildfire stench and ash. Ungh. Nobody is ever going to believe me when I tell them it's a "non smoker" car. :facepalm: I guess at this point I should just be glad I have a house and a car to go back to.

sonofthehill 11-14-2018 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1510740)
Fuck you Camp Fire

Ay men to that. Glad you are OK, sorry to hear about your folks homes and businesses.

aidandj 11-14-2018 12:02 PM

Man! the fire must have been close to burn that clear coat off the hood.

EO2K 10-03-2019 07:31 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7ab528a985.jpg

Oh shit, the front fell off!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...868d866793.jpg

oH nO wHaT aRe YoU dOiNg NoW?!

EO2K 10-03-2019 07:42 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c4464d8c83.jpg

Aww snap, y'all peepin' on my orange tendies?! Clearly, this man is srs.

sonofthehill 10-03-2019 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1551047)
Oh shit, the front fell off!

I thought for sure this was going to be the bug.:rofl:

Maybe, reasons? I know I got reasons coming up soon.

EO2K 10-03-2019 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by sonofthehill (Post 1551051)
I thought for sure this was going to be the bug.:rofl:

Nah, I got a whole other thread for that mess. I should probably update it at some point... 🤔

EO2K 10-04-2019 11:49 AM

Clearly I can't get enough of this orange business

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6bbede70ea.jpg

I like how with the Qmax, you've got a constant flow of hot coolant over the thermostat due to the heater hose outlet. Very nice design, and great machine work. Not super impressed with the brass hose nipple, but it's serviceable. The stainless snap ring and 1/8" NPT plugs are also a nice touch.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f9320f28fe.jpg

Speaking of nice touches...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ea88786a24.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b7c63fedc9.jpg

Stainless hose clamps with rolled edges appropriate for silicone hose! Nice :cool: I appreciate this level of attention to detail.


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