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Old Apr 19, 2017 | 08:33 PM
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Bahhhh! So I'm trying to retime the motor right now. The crank is at TDC but the intake cam marker isn't lining up with the timing cover. Its slightly off like 2-3*. Is it fine?
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Old Apr 19, 2017 | 08:54 PM
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Make sure the slack in the belt is between the crank pulley and the intake cam, so that when you release the tensioner it takes it up there. There's an extra tooth's worth of slack, and if you get it between the crank and exhaust pulleys then it will be wrong after you tension it.

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Old Apr 20, 2017 | 12:58 AM
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I really want to go kill something right now. I got the car put back together and it didn't start....

It just cranks over, gives me a glimmer of hope of starting and thats it. I really don't know what I did wrong. But obviously the timing is off. so tomorrow I start over.
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Timing wheel on backwards.
Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:00 AM
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the concave side is toward the engine? isn't that right?
Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:01 AM
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Post a composite tooth log?

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Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:02 AM
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Im gonna be honest with you. I don't know what that is.
Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:20 AM
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Hook up TunerStudio, go to "diagnostics and high speed loggers", set "logger type" to "composite", and click "start". (might need to click "capture to log file" as well, I don't remember) Try to start the car, then turn the logging off.

It will display three lines in the graph, which are the logic levels of the crank and cam signals and one indicating sync errors. Post the log file.

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Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:25 AM
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here:
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Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:27 AM
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Crank sensor signal is all fucky. Make sure its gapped correctly. should be a business card thickness away from the trigger teeth.

Cam signal looks fine.

Should look like this


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Gap is correct
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Ok. Well something is wrong with your crank sensor.
Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:32 AM
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How? The car ran before I took it apart? If the trigger wheel is flipped would there be no signal at all?
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I dont know how. But Its not right.

You might still get a signal with the flipped wheel.

You know flipping the wheel is super easy. 4 m6 bolts and the alternator belt.
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ok. Ill flip it and see what happens
Old Apr 20, 2017 | 01:57 AM
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Aidan, I owe you. I swapped the wheel and it fired right up.
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You're welcome, glad it worked.
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