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A tl;dr from the report is: deaths from covid are rare, the vaccine works. Above I mentioned some alternate societal impacts besides death.
Influenza has a reproduction number of about 1.2-1.5 (i.e. on average every person that gets it infects between 1.2 and 1.5 others), and the covid delta strain is estimated between 5-9. Now, assume that the measures halved this number. Then influenza is <1, which means that it can't spread and covid is still >1. Then you get exactly the graph you shared...
I'm also not a fan of forced vaccinations. Every person should have full control over their body. That includes vaccines but also abortion. That being said, I do think you'd have to be a bit daft not to take the vaccine.
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Influenza has a reproduction number of about 1.2-1.5 (i.e. on average every person that gets it infects between 1.2 and 1.5 others), and the covid delta strain is estimated between 5-9. Now, assume that the measures halved this number. Then influenza is <1, which means that it can't spread and covid is still >1. Then you get exactly the graph you shared...
Influenza has a reproduction number of about 1.2-1.5 (i.e. on average every person that gets it infects between 1.2 and 1.5 others), and the covid delta strain is estimated between 5-9. Now, assume that the measures halved this number. Then influenza is <1, which means that it can't spread and covid is still >1. Then you get exactly the graph you shared...
Does that mean that the flu is eradicated? Unfortunately, no. There are influenza reservoirs in animals too. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2640312/.
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There are some who dispute the validity of the data, such as by claiming that deaths due to flu have been mis-attributed as deaths due to Covid. Such claims require also believing that presently-understood information concerning differences in transmissibility and reproduction between the two viral families is incorrect, as Skamba noted earlier.
Obviously, those people for whom this has become a political-identity issue will disbelieve any data which either argues against the conclusion which they're already reached, or which comes from sources which they have been conditioned to distrust based on their perceived political allegiance of those sources.
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Obviously, those people for whom this has become a political-identity issue will disbelieve any data which either argues against the conclusion which they're already reached, or which comes from sources which they have been conditioned to distrust based on their perceived political allegiance of those sources.
I'm very happy my building manager is looking out of other people's health by making me breath into a worthless petri dish!
we are in this together (even though no data suggests getting the vaccine reduces the risk for those who dont want it).
the delta variant didn't exist until were starting vaccinating [half of] everyone. we are in this together.
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Quite annoying, as I am fully vaccinated.
Coming from you, I have reason to doubt the sincerity of this statement.
Are these two things related?
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But why?!
We learned today that COVID spreads way too easily that hand sanitizer (that says won't kill coronavirus on the label), masks (that say won't stop coronavirus on the label), and social distancing (we are on day 365+ of 15 ) don't work.
So why are people without medical training, and/or no clear understanding of the virus dictating pointless practices to people who do not need them?
I think hospitals should stop diagnosing covid, then we will see a huge reduction in cases, just like we did on Jan 20.
Just get your shot and this will stop*!! Just get your booster and this will stop*!! Just get the next booster and this will stop*!! Just get the next booster and this will stop*!!
*And STILL have to stay masked and STILL have to lockdown**.
**because the vaccinated are forcing the virus to constantly evolve and we have to slow the spread.**
***except for dirty unvaccinated Africans who come across the mexican border by the thousands -- they vote democrat, so they are okay.
We learned today that COVID spreads way too easily that hand sanitizer (that says won't kill coronavirus on the label), masks (that say won't stop coronavirus on the label), and social distancing (we are on day 365+ of 15 ) don't work.
So why are people without medical training, and/or no clear understanding of the virus dictating pointless practices to people who do not need them?
I think hospitals should stop diagnosing covid, then we will see a huge reduction in cases, just like we did on Jan 20.
Just get your shot and this will stop*!! Just get your booster and this will stop*!! Just get the next booster and this will stop*!! Just get the next booster and this will stop*!!
*And STILL have to stay masked and STILL have to lockdown**.
**because the vaccinated are forcing the virus to constantly evolve and we have to slow the spread.**
***except for dirty unvaccinated Africans who come across the mexican border by the thousands -- they vote democrat, so they are okay.
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meanwhile:
https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/fauci-...k-of-pandemic/
The nation’s chief medical advisor wrote in the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012 of the public health benefit to gain-of-function viral experiments — which center on manipulating viruses and making them stronger — as long as there is significant oversight.
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“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” he wrote at the time.
“Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.”
He wrote that it was “more likely” that a pandemic would occur naturally and “the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.”
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“We cannot expect those who have these concerns to simply take us, the scientific community, at our word that the benefits of this work outweigh the risks, nor can we ignore their calls for greater transparency, their concerns about conflicts of interest, and their efforts to engage in a dialog about whether these experiments should have been performed in the first place,” Fauci wrote.
“Those of us in the scientific community who believe in the merits of this work have the responsibility to address these concerns thoughtfully and respectfully.”
the guy in charge, who lies ton Congress and tells us conflicting information every day, thinks this was all worth it though.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/fauci-...k-of-pandemic/
Fauci once argued for risky viral experiments — even if they can lead to pandemic
Dr. Anthony Fauci once argued that conducting experiments on contagious viruses to increase their potency was worth the risk, even if the work could accidentally lead to a pandemic, it was revealed Friday.The nation’s chief medical advisor wrote in the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012 of the public health benefit to gain-of-function viral experiments — which center on manipulating viruses and making them stronger — as long as there is significant oversight.
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“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” he wrote at the time.
“Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.”
He wrote that it was “more likely” that a pandemic would occur naturally and “the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.”
...
“We cannot expect those who have these concerns to simply take us, the scientific community, at our word that the benefits of this work outweigh the risks, nor can we ignore their calls for greater transparency, their concerns about conflicts of interest, and their efforts to engage in a dialog about whether these experiments should have been performed in the first place,” Fauci wrote.
“Those of us in the scientific community who believe in the merits of this work have the responsibility to address these concerns thoughtfully and respectfully.”
cases may be skyrocketing, but deaths remain flat. And remember, the only reason for the decline on Jan 20th, is that when Biden was sworn in, the CDC changed the test methodology to make him look better. For some reason, cough*Audits*cough, we are testing vaccinated people -- despite the CDC telling us it's not necessary and suddenly we are dooming and glooming again and going back to methods that were proven ineffective (e,g., masks, social distancing, quarantines). source: the above charts.
Not to mention CDC and MSM have switched to reporting "daily cases" and deaths but you have to dig and dig to find total cases. Oh, what's the problem with that method?
Here's a fun math game and formula you can play at home with the numbers form your state to find out how dangerous your state is
1 death / 1 case = 100% death rate, 0% survival rate
1 death / 10 cases = 10% death rate, 90% survival rate
2,872 deaths / 223,364 cases = 0.012% death rate, 99.9871% survival rate
Also, no one seems to want to admit that A) people already dying of some significant disease are tested OR PRESUMED to have Covid-19 B) the majority of people dying of Covid are near end of life and are more likely dying of old age.Aug3 MSN - Oregon Covid update
As of Tuesday, 2.32 million people in Oregon had completed a vaccine series, and 181,304 had received at least one dose.
Newly reported deaths were:
- A 71-year-old man from Douglas County who tested positive on Aug. 1 and died on Aug. 2 at his residence. Presence of underlying conditions is being confirmed.
- A 78-year-old man from Douglas County who tested positive on July 30 and died on July 31 at his residence. He had underlying conditions.
- A 78-year-old woman from Douglas County who tested positive on July 28 and died on Aug. 2 at PeaceHealth Sacred Heart Medical Center at RiverBend. She had underlying conditions.
- A 70-year-old man from Douglas County who tested positive on July 9 and died on Aug. 1 at Mercy Medical Center. He had underlying conditions.
- A 43-year-old man from Jackson County who tested positive on July 18 and died on July 30 at Asante Rogue Regional Medical Center. He had underlying conditions.
- A 96-year-old man from Jackson County who tested positive on July 20 and died on Aug. 1 at Asante Rogue Regional Medical Center. He had underlying conditions.
- An 82-year-old woman from Josephine County who tested positive on July 26 and died on Aug. 2 at Asante Ashland Community Hospital. She had no underlying conditions.
- A 100-year-old woman from Washington County who tested positive on Jan. 29 and died on March 20 at her residence. She had underlying conditions.
- A 69-year-old woman from Yamhill County who tested positive on July 25 and died on July 28 at Providence Portland Medical Center. She had underlying conditions.
COVID-19 by the numbers
Here's the most recent data from the Oregon Health Authority, as of Tuesday, August 3.- 2,872: People who have died from COVID-19.
- 223,364: Total cases of COVID-19.
- 379: COVID-19 patients in hospitals.
And every MSM "story" stated that it was a peaceful march, but left out the fact this was a residential neighborhood and the gate to this property was broken down when the march didn't include this home.
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But, in all seriousness, the story I posted, which was from a mainstream media outlet, said literally that exact thing. About the rioters breaking down the gate to their property, that is. They just buried it down in the text of the article, rather than leading with it. I even quoted the sentence in my post.
The available data seem to support that conclusion.
There are some who dispute the validity of the data, such as by claiming that deaths due to flu have been mis-attributed as deaths due to Covid. Such claims require also believing that presently-understood information concerning differences in transmissibility and reproduction between the two viral families is incorrect, as Skamba noted earlier.
Obviously, those people for whom this has become a political-identity issue will disbelieve any data which either argues against the conclusion which they're already reached, or which comes from sources which they have been conditioned to distrust based on their perceived political allegiance of those sources.
There are some who dispute the validity of the data, such as by claiming that deaths due to flu have been mis-attributed as deaths due to Covid. Such claims require also believing that presently-understood information concerning differences in transmissibility and reproduction between the two viral families is incorrect, as Skamba noted earlier.
Obviously, those people for whom this has become a political-identity issue will disbelieve any data which either argues against the conclusion which they're already reached, or which comes from sources which they have been conditioned to distrust based on their perceived political allegiance of those sources.
Assigning these numbers to this clown show is what the media has been doing, breathlessly for a year and a half.
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This is making a nation-wide assumption. During the "pandemic", our entire business park worked without masks, save my neighbor's shop, as he was going through chemo. Then we need to factor in the non-efficacy of t-shirt masks, which is nothing short of comedy "masq"uerading as science. Even the CDC said so (again) this past weekend.
Assigning these numbers to this clown show is what the media has been doing, breathlessly for a year and a half.
Assigning these numbers to this clown show is what the media has been doing, breathlessly for a year and a half.
Also I went into work every single day even though 97% of my building is still working from home since the last April.