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08-10-2021, 01:41 PM
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As more people get vaccinated, the amount of vaccinated people in the hospital goes up as well, because they constitute a larger percent of the population. We already discussed before that the vaccine doesn't work perfectly in all cases - which no one is denying. About 50% of people are vaccinated now, yet only 15% (according to your own source) of people in hospitals are vaccinated. How is that anything but evidence that vaccines work?
from the ministry of honk:
What We Know
- COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective at preventing COVID-19, including severe illness and death.
- COVID-19 vaccines are effective against severe disease and death from variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 currently circulating in the United States, including the Delta variant.
- Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild.
- If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others.
- People with weakened immune systems, including people who take immunosuppressive medications, may not be protected even if fully vaccinated.
If you’ve been fully vaccinated:
- You can resume activities that you did prior to the pandemic.
- To reduce the risk of being infected with the Delta variant and possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.
- You might choose to wear a mask regardless of the level of transmission if you have a weakened immune system or if, because of your age or an underlying medical condition, you are at increased risk for severe disease, or if a member of your household has a weakened immune system, is at increased risk for severe disease, or is unvaccinated.
if you're fully vaccinated, you can resume normal activities, except breathing through a napkin indoors because of the delta variant -- it's effective against -- that you can still become infected with.
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08-10-2021, 01:59 PM
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Possibly also Sandy Hook. (I'd give that one a 50/50 split of being a false-flag attack in his opinion.)
That having been said, I think it's extremely poor form, from both of you, to skip right over Anna Chapman.
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08-10-2021, 02:06 PM
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if you're fully vaccinated, it's effective against variants, including delta, except you can become infected with the delta variant.
if you're fully vaccinated, you can resume normal activities, except breathing through a napkin indoors because of the delta variant -- it's effective against -- that you can still become infected with.
if you're fully vaccinated, you can resume normal activities, except breathing through a napkin indoors because of the delta variant -- it's effective against -- that you can still become infected with.
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08-10-2021, 02:12 PM
For instance, the CDC changed the reporting guidelines for breakthrough cases to ONLY include those cases which resulted in hospitalization or death, and then went on to discourage anyone who has been vaccinated to take PCR test if they suspect they might have contracted covid. Clearly, these are completely different protocols than those for the unvaccinated .
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08-10-2021, 03:08 PM
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I also don't think mask mandates are a good solution - efficacy of masks only seems to be decent when used well which no-one does. Hard lock-downs should only happen as a last resort, when hospitals cant handle the amount of people coming in.
When it comes to denying unvaccinated people access to establishments - it's not a government matter. The government should not be involved in how companies operate. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if many business don't want to take the risk and will ban unvaccinated people - similarly to what cruise lines are already doing.
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08-10-2021, 05:01 PM
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Meanwhile death rates from my age group haven't changed since the beginning of this -- despite the vaccination rate...
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08-10-2021, 05:49 PM
SO MUCH BULLSHIT !!
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08-10-2021, 06:20 PM
It gives you everything you need as a preventative if you're in the low, medium and high risk group.
It also gives you the protocol of medicine to take if you get the Covid and you're in the low, medium or high risk group.
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08-10-2021, 07:29 PM
[QUOTE=Joe Perez;1606196]Definition of a "true" vaccine?
Source for this claim?
/QUOTE]
Just to keep the conversation going...
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-q...CHQSemE_KFpgFR
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/294852
Source for this claim?
/QUOTE]
Just to keep the conversation going...
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-q...CHQSemE_KFpgFR
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/294852
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08-10-2021, 08:22 PM
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Just to keep the conversation going...
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-q...CHQSemE_KFpgFR
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/294852
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-q...CHQSemE_KFpgFR
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/294852
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08-10-2021, 10:57 PM
Oh jeez Joe, let me just rephrase it to say "traditional" vaccine, as in pretty much all the ones that have been used up until the CDC recently changed the definitions to meet this concoction that's currently being foist upon us. You know, the kind where you take it and then you have immunity from the virus for pretty much the rest of your life and you can't spread it to others either? !! 
There are numerous sources out there for the leaky vaccine phenomenon (since it has been well known for ages and certainly before Covid):
Start here, cuz she's fun to watch:
(if not, just pretend she has red hair)
Then onto the meat:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...irus-dangerous (focusing more specifically on the Marek's Vaccine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease
and here's an excerpt on Marek's Vaccine from wiki:
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"Marek's Vaccine
Vaccination is the only known method to prevent the development of tumors when chickens are infected with the virus. However, administration of the vaccine does not prevent an infected bird from shedding the virus, though it does reduce the amount of virus shed in the dander, hence reducing horizontal spread of the disease. Marek's disease does not spread vertically.
Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low.
Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a "leaky vaccine", which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented. Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented.
Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains. The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine."
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So if things go wrong like they did with Marek's at some point, it is not altogether inconceivable that everyone will have to get the vaccine and probably regular booster shots or face a 100% mortality rate. (What a dream come true for Big Pharma to sell them)
Clearly, humans aren't chickens, and this is a different pathogen, but what kind of bullshit is it that no one is saying, Hey, let's maybe pump the brakes here until we know definitively that this won't happen to us too. When you think about how hard the vaccine is being pushed on us, even if we don't want it, it's easy to start wondering if they have some concern (they're not sharing with us) about this themselves. Don't forget, the original virus was like 99.x % survivable.
There are numerous sources out there for the leaky vaccine phenomenon (since it has been well known for ages and certainly before Covid):
Start here, cuz she's fun to watch:
(if not, just pretend she has red hair)
Then onto the meat:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...irus-dangerous (focusing more specifically on the Marek's Vaccine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease
and here's an excerpt on Marek's Vaccine from wiki:
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"Marek's Vaccine
Vaccination is the only known method to prevent the development of tumors when chickens are infected with the virus. However, administration of the vaccine does not prevent an infected bird from shedding the virus, though it does reduce the amount of virus shed in the dander, hence reducing horizontal spread of the disease. Marek's disease does not spread vertically.
Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low.
Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a "leaky vaccine", which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented. Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented.
Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains. The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine."
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So if things go wrong like they did with Marek's at some point, it is not altogether inconceivable that everyone will have to get the vaccine and probably regular booster shots or face a 100% mortality rate. (What a dream come true for Big Pharma to sell them)
Clearly, humans aren't chickens, and this is a different pathogen, but what kind of bullshit is it that no one is saying, Hey, let's maybe pump the brakes here until we know definitively that this won't happen to us too. When you think about how hard the vaccine is being pushed on us, even if we don't want it, it's easy to start wondering if they have some concern (they're not sharing with us) about this themselves. Don't forget, the original virus was like 99.x % survivable.
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08-11-2021, 02:56 AM
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Oh jeez Joe, let me just rephrase it to say "traditional" vaccine, as in pretty much all the ones that have been used up until the CDC recently changed the definitions to meet this concoction that's currently being foist upon us. You know, the kind where you take it and then you have immunity from the virus for pretty much the rest of your life and you can't spread it to others either? !!
There are numerous sources out there for the leaky vaccine phenomenon (since it has been well known for ages and certainly before Covid):
Start here, cuz she's fun to watch:
(if not, just pretend she has red hair)
https://youtu.be/5a7PLv9JkF4
There are numerous sources out there for the leaky vaccine phenomenon (since it has been well known for ages and certainly before Covid):
Start here, cuz she's fun to watch:
(if not, just pretend she has red hair)
https://youtu.be/5a7PLv9JkF4
Then onto the meat:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...irus-dangerous (focusing more specifically on the Marek's Vaccine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease
and here's an excerpt on Marek's Vaccine from wiki:
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"Marek's Vaccine
Vaccination is the only known method to prevent the development of tumors when chickens are infected with the virus. However, administration of the vaccine does not prevent an infected bird from shedding the virus, though it does reduce the amount of virus shed in the dander, hence reducing horizontal spread of the disease. Marek's disease does not spread vertically.
Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low.
Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a "leaky vaccine", which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented. Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented.
Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains. The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine."
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So if things go wrong like they did with Marek's at some point, it is not altogether inconceivable that everyone will have to get the vaccine and probably regular booster shots or face a 100% mortality rate. (What a dream come true for Big Pharma to sell them)
Clearly, humans aren't chickens, and this is a different pathogen, but what kind of bullshit is it that no one is saying, Hey, let's maybe pump the brakes here until we know definitively that this won't happen to us too. When you think about how hard the vaccine is being pushed on us, even if we don't want it, it's easy to start wondering if they have some concern (they're not sharing with us) about this themselves. Don't forget, the original virus was like 99.x % survivable.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...irus-dangerous (focusing more specifically on the Marek's Vaccine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease
and here's an excerpt on Marek's Vaccine from wiki:
---------------------------
"Marek's Vaccine
Vaccination is the only known method to prevent the development of tumors when chickens are infected with the virus. However, administration of the vaccine does not prevent an infected bird from shedding the virus, though it does reduce the amount of virus shed in the dander, hence reducing horizontal spread of the disease. Marek's disease does not spread vertically.
Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low.
Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a "leaky vaccine", which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented. Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented.
Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains. The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine."
-----------------
So if things go wrong like they did with Marek's at some point, it is not altogether inconceivable that everyone will have to get the vaccine and probably regular booster shots or face a 100% mortality rate. (What a dream come true for Big Pharma to sell them)
Clearly, humans aren't chickens, and this is a different pathogen, but what kind of bullshit is it that no one is saying, Hey, let's maybe pump the brakes here until we know definitively that this won't happen to us too. When you think about how hard the vaccine is being pushed on us, even if we don't want it, it's easy to start wondering if they have some concern (they're not sharing with us) about this themselves. Don't forget, the original virus was like 99.x % survivable.
Furthermore, using your logic, should we also stop vaccinating against polio, tuberculosis, tetanus, etc?
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08-11-2021, 07:27 AM
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Even in traditional vaccines, some use “live” viruses, and some use dead ones.
“live” in quotes because, in the strictest since, viruses are ever only pseudo-live.
“live” in quotes because, in the strictest since, viruses are ever only pseudo-live.
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