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03-02-2022, 04:30 PM
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First, please provide links. Context is a bitch. Also, timing here is important. As someone mentioned earlier, the science has evolved over time. Science does not traditionally move quickly, and many "conclusions" were based on pre-print and non-peer reviewed papers. What was sound advice early may have changed as we learned more. Science just isn't well equipped to handle rapidly developing pandemics/viruses. So your making decisions based on incomplete information and generally are forced into risk averse strategies.
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03-02-2022, 05:13 PM
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First, please provide links. Context is a bitch. Also, timing here is important. As someone mentioned earlier, the science has evolved over time. Science does not traditionally move quickly, and many "conclusions" were based on pre-print and non-peer reviewed papers. What was sound advice early may have changed as we learned more. Science just isn't well equipped to handle rapidly developing pandemics/viruses. So your making decisions based on incomplete information and generally are forced into risk averse strategies.
I have a serious question do you have any friends in real life?
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03-03-2022, 09:02 AM
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I do agree with Socals14, context is import. However, it's amazing that he/she/it wasn't aware of guidance from CDC that all our policies/rules/mandates are derived from.
The March 8th statement came directly from a CDC press release.
CDC Issues First Set of Guidelines on How Fully Vaccinated People Can Visit Safely with Others
- Visit with other fully vaccinated people indoors without wearing masks or staying 6 feet apart.
- Visit with unvaccinated people from one other household indoors without wearing masks or staying 6 feet apart if everyone in the other household is at low risk for severe disease.
- Refrain from quarantine and testing if they do not have symptoms of COVID-19 after contact with someone who has COVID-19.
While the new guidance is a positive step, the vast majority of people need to be fully vaccinated before COVID-19 precautions can be lifted broadly. Until then, it is important that everyone continues to adhere to public health mitigation measures to protect the large number of people who remain unvaccinated.
1. either the vaccine is not effective and you're still at risk from unvaccinated people.
2. the vaccine is not effective at preventing the spread of the virus and unvaccinated people are still at risk from vaccinated people.
3. the vaccine can achieve herd immunity when the vast majority is vaccinated, killing out the virus, and the unvaccinated are no longer at risk.
If you think of something else, cool. Many people were still okay with this, that was very early on in the vaccination process. However that brings us to the second quote from May, 2021, just two months later.
So in two months the science evolved from "continue to wear a mask around unvaccinated," to "go back to normal".
Now this last quote is tough to find, as the CDC basically scrubbed it from their website as the science continued to evolve and they updated their gudiance for fully vaccinated people.
Luckily, this news article happens to have a lot of the direct quotes form the guidance website.
Fully vaccinated people can resume all activities as normal before the pandemic began, without wearing a mask or maintaining physical distance, except in areas where it is required.
Traveling within the United States can resume as it did prior to the pandemic, without getting tested before or after traveling. Fully vaccinated people will also not have to self-quarantine after travel.
Before traveling internationally, the CDC says to pay close attention to the situation in the destination. Fully vaccinated travelers will not have to be tested before leaving the United States unless the international destination requires it.
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If someone who is fully vaccinated is exposed to someone who is positive for COVID-19, they will not need to isolate or get tested, unless showing symptoms.
However, the CDC recommends those who are fully vaccinated and live or work in a correctional or detention facility or a homeless shelter and are exposed to someone with COVID-19 still get tested, regardless of if they are showing symptoms or not.
Traveling within the United States can resume as it did prior to the pandemic, without getting tested before or after traveling. Fully vaccinated people will also not have to self-quarantine after travel.
Before traveling internationally, the CDC says to pay close attention to the situation in the destination. Fully vaccinated travelers will not have to be tested before leaving the United States unless the international destination requires it.
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If someone who is fully vaccinated is exposed to someone who is positive for COVID-19, they will not need to isolate or get tested, unless showing symptoms.
However, the CDC recommends those who are fully vaccinated and live or work in a correctional or detention facility or a homeless shelter and are exposed to someone with COVID-19 still get tested, regardless of if they are showing symptoms or not.
The CDC says officials know COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. The vaccines also reduce the risk of spreading the virus.
So what happened in the evolution of science in the two months between march and may that the CDC said go back to normal and US Representatives were putting out silly videos like this???
I for one, think this Rand Paul and Fauci exchange on the matter on March 18, 2021 had a lot to do with it:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c49526...i-mask-wearing
During a hearing on the coronavirus response, Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul highlights studies that show once you've had COVID, you are unlikely to transmit the disease and therefore don't need to wear a mask per CDC guidance. Senator Paul then accuses Dr. Anthony Fauci of wearing a mask "for theater" even though he's been vaccinated, saying, "You parade around in a mask for show." Dr. Fauci, responds saying, "Masks are not theater" and says that while there is some credence to Senator Paul's point that the risk of transmissibility is reduced once you've had the original or "wild" strain, it is not the case with new more transmissible variants that are becoming more prevalent in the U.S., including the B117 variant from the U.K. and another more troubling strain that is developing in New York.
So how do you go from "continue to wear a mask if you're vaccinated - Mar, 2021" to "resume all normal activities - May, 2021" in two months -- barely three months into the vaccination rollout -- to "to reduce the risk of being infected with the Delta variant and possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission - Oct, 2021" another six months later, to "wear an n95 Dec, 2021," to "you no longer need to wear masks, but wear a mask if you're community is at risk - Feb, 2022" today????
Seems to me, if you look at the timeline at a whole, it seems like a lot of bullshit and relies heavily on arbitrary mask usage, not science.
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03-03-2022, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Biden, Dec 14, 2021
"This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Biden said in the full interview. "The unvaccinated. Not the vaccinated, the unvaccinated. That’s the problem. Everybody talks about freedom and not to have a shot or have a test. Well guess what? How about patriotism? How about making sure that you’re vaccinated, so you do not spread the disease to anyone else."
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03-03-2022, 10:07 AM
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-requirements/
The President issued an EO to require vaccinations in order to prevent the catching and transmitting covid = hE'S JuSt sAyInG It hElPs.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-requirements/
Originally Posted by Joe Biden, Oct 7, 2021
"My administration is now requiring federal workers to be vaccinated. We’ve also required federal contractors to be vaccinated. ... We’re requiring active duty military to be vaccinated."
"We’re making sure health care workers are vaccinated, because if you seek care at a health care facility, you should have the certainty that the people providing that care are protected from COVID and cannot spread it to you."
"We’re making sure health care workers are vaccinated, because if you seek care at a health care facility, you should have the certainty that the people providing that care are protected from COVID and cannot spread it to you."
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03-03-2022, 10:12 AM
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wow look at the qualifiers:
Not only does it take a rare impossible breakthrough case in order to transmit covid, a breakthrough case, in of itself, suggests you became infected with covid despite a vaccine. IE the vaccine prevents infection.
Originally Posted by Tara C. Smith, a Kent State University epidemiologist
"Vaccination does significantly reduce transmission from vaccinated breakthrough cases but does not completely eliminate it."
Not only does it take a rare impossible breakthrough case in order to transmit covid, a breakthrough case, in of itself, suggests you became infected with covid despite a vaccine. IE the vaccine prevents infection.
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03-03-2022, 10:14 AM
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...20transmission.
again, this suggests the vaccine stops/slows the spread and prevents infection; not illness/hospitalization.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...20transmission.
Originally Posted by CDC Sept. 15, 2021
Vaccinated people can still become infected and have the potential to spread the virus to others, although at much lower rates than unvaccinated people.
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03-03-2022, 10:16 AM
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https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/cov...ther%20strains.
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/cov...ther%20strains.
Originally Posted by University of Maryland Medical System 12/21/2021
As we vaccinate and boost as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, we can help stop the spread of the coronavirus. A decrease in transmission of the virus means fewer opportunities for it to mutate, which can help prevent the emergence of any other variants.
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03-03-2022, 10:18 AM
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The FDA seems to think that science has evolved.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepar...20transmission.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepar...20transmission.
Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission.
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