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10-03-2017, 02:46 PM
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But seriously...
Yes, we have a dozen shootings a day here in the Windy City. There's even a radio series entitled "Every other hour" on the local public radio station which explores gun violence in the city: Every Other Hour
I say we can do better. We can achieve the goal of one shooting every single hour. Chicago cannot stand idly by and allow Detroit and New Orleans to overtake us in homicides per capita, and it is up to each and every one of us to ensure that this does not happen.
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10-03-2017, 02:51 PM
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But the fact is that people who have their mind made up that they will someday be called upon to defend the the United States of America from its own military by force will not be dissuaded by reason.
If the day comes that the United States Armed Forces, under the direction of a corrupt leadership, attempt to subjugate the population and place us under something resembling a police-state, I will proudly cower the shadows until the majority of the violence is over, and then loot the belongings of those killed in a futile effort to resist the largest and most well-equipped army in the history of mankind.
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10-03-2017, 02:52 PM
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The reality is, the government CANNOT stop psychopaths from misusing inanimate objects to hurt/kill people. No matter what you do, if a crazy person wants to kill people, he will find a way to do it. You can make pipe bombs from things that can be bought in a department store. Making laws that do not apply to criminals (since, by definition, they don't obey the law), only succeeds in taking away ordinary citizen's ability to at least have a fighting chance when some nut-job decides to try to kill him.
Again, if you can't keep heroin out of the hands of teenage girls at an expensive, private, blue ribbon high school, how the hell are you going to keep guns out of the hands of crazy/evil people?
Again, if you can't keep heroin out of the hands of teenage girls at an expensive, private, blue ribbon high school, how the hell are you going to keep guns out of the hands of crazy/evil people?
I know. That's why we said:
"Hey if someone wants to high jack a plane again, let's not make it more difficult for them to do so."
"Hey if someone wants to buy mass quantities of fertilizer and diesel fuel, let's not make it more difficult for them to do so."
I think Joe Perez made a point earlier, or maybe I read it elsewhere, that the problem with weapons like an AR-15 is how easily they are to obtain and modify, and then the ferocity and quickness in which the damage can be imposed and from a distance.
A good guy with a handgun isn't stopping that threat at that distance.
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10-03-2017, 02:53 PM
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And that's the core problem with the broader interpretations of the 2nd Amendment that get thrown around every time bunch of liberals get all huffy about gun legislation.
But the fact is that people who have their mind made up that they will someday be called upon to defend the the United States of America from its own military by force will not be dissuaded by reason.
If the day comes that the United States Armed Forces, under the direction of a corrupt leadership, attempt to subjugate the population and place us under something resembling a police-state, I will proudly cower the shadows until the majority of the violence is over, and then loot the belongings of those killed in a futile effort to resist the largest and most well-equipped army in the history of mankind.
But the fact is that people who have their mind made up that they will someday be called upon to defend the the United States of America from its own military by force will not be dissuaded by reason.
If the day comes that the United States Armed Forces, under the direction of a corrupt leadership, attempt to subjugate the population and place us under something resembling a police-state, I will proudly cower the shadows until the majority of the violence is over, and then loot the belongings of those killed in a futile effort to resist the largest and most well-equipped army in the history of mankind.
Precisely. It's beyond laughable a bunch of middle-aged people think they would have any kind of impact on the US Military beyond a proverbial fly buzzing around it's head.
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10-03-2017, 02:59 PM
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I know. That's why we said:
"Hey if someone wants to high jack a plane again, let's not make it more difficult for them to do so."
"Hey if someone wants to buy mass quantities of fertilizer and diesel fuel, let's not make it more difficult for them to do so."
I think Joe Perez made a point earlier, or maybe I read it elsewhere, that the problem with weapons like an AR-15 is how easily they are to obtain and modify, and then the ferocity and quickness in which the damage can be imposed and from a distance.
A good guy with a handgun isn't stopping that threat at that distance.
"Hey if someone wants to high jack a plane again, let's not make it more difficult for them to do so."
"Hey if someone wants to buy mass quantities of fertilizer and diesel fuel, let's not make it more difficult for them to do so."
I think Joe Perez made a point earlier, or maybe I read it elsewhere, that the problem with weapons like an AR-15 is how easily they are to obtain and modify, and then the ferocity and quickness in which the damage can be imposed and from a distance.
A good guy with a handgun isn't stopping that threat at that distance.
the statement before the comma, the sky is blue.
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Official story of Las Vegas shooting unravels; physical impossibility of lone gunman senior citizen makes narrative ludicrous
https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-...n-paddock.html
#1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room… but only one shooter?
The NY Daily News is now reporting that Stephen Paddock “brought at least 10 weapons into a Las Vegas hotel room.”
Why would a single shooter need 10 rifles? Managing just one full auto weapon system is so difficult that it’s probably beyond the physical capabilities of a 64-year-old retired accountant, which is what Paddock was.
The fact that 10 rifles were found in his hotel room says three very important things:
According to numerous media reports, Paddock was found dead in his hotel room, shot to death. The official narrative claims that he shot himself before the police breached the room, but that is an assumption, not an established fact. There is no evidence whatsoever that Paddock shot himself. It is simply assumed that he did so. I would ask to see the ballistics evidence of the shot that killed him.
Isn’t it all convenient? There’s no one left to question, and they don’t even have to drug the guy into oblivion like they did the Aurora, Colorado shooter named James Holmes. Eliminating the scapegoat is the oldest trick in the book, as we were all reminded with the shooting of JFK.
#3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?
If you look at the shooting videos that have been posted online, none of them show any muzzle flashes from the room on the 32nd floor that we’ve been told is the source of the shooting. How can that be? The following video captures the sound of the automatic weapons fire — and even appears to capture at least TWO weapons firing simultaneously — yet shows no muzzle flashes from the 32nd floor windows of the Mandalay Bay hotel.
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The NY Daily News is now reporting that Stephen Paddock “brought at least 10 weapons into a Las Vegas hotel room.”
Why would a single shooter need 10 rifles? Managing just one full auto weapon system is so difficult that it’s probably beyond the physical capabilities of a 64-year-old retired accountant, which is what Paddock was.
The fact that 10 rifles were found in his hotel room says three very important things:
- The rifles were staged for more than one shooter.
- The operation was extremely well funded.
- The attack took a tremendous amount of time to set up, because you don’t just walk 10 rifles up to your hotel room in a single trip.
According to numerous media reports, Paddock was found dead in his hotel room, shot to death. The official narrative claims that he shot himself before the police breached the room, but that is an assumption, not an established fact. There is no evidence whatsoever that Paddock shot himself. It is simply assumed that he did so. I would ask to see the ballistics evidence of the shot that killed him.
Isn’t it all convenient? There’s no one left to question, and they don’t even have to drug the guy into oblivion like they did the Aurora, Colorado shooter named James Holmes. Eliminating the scapegoat is the oldest trick in the book, as we were all reminded with the shooting of JFK.
#3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?
If you look at the shooting videos that have been posted online, none of them show any muzzle flashes from the room on the 32nd floor that we’ve been told is the source of the shooting. How can that be? The following video captures the sound of the automatic weapons fire — and even appears to capture at least TWO weapons firing simultaneously — yet shows no muzzle flashes from the 32nd floor windows of the Mandalay Bay hotel.
...more
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10-03-2017, 03:10 PM
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I don't particularly buy into the argument that we might have to fight our own military argument either, but it is striking how well a bunch of guys running around in PJs with kalashnikovs have historically done against the most powerful militaries in the world.
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10-03-2017, 03:12 PM
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Never know with you.
But some of that stuff is just laughable.
Like the 5th floor shooter...................OK. Why isn't there a picture of that broken glass window, or did the magically replace it from the inside while no one was watching?
But some of that stuff is just laughable.
Like the 5th floor shooter...................OK. Why isn't there a picture of that broken glass window, or did the magically replace it from the inside while no one was watching?
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10-03-2017, 03:13 PM
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ohhhhhhhhh all this gun control talk can bring me back to Venezuela after all!
see, the left wants to take away your guns, so you cant fight them when they try to enslave you with...
wait for it...
...guns.
The socialist leader of Venezuela announced in a speech to regime loyalists his plan to arm hundreds of thousands of supporters after a years-long campaign to confiscate civilian-owned guns.
“A gun for every militiaman!” Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro said outside the presidential palace. The arming of Maduro’s supporters comes five years after Venezuela’s socialist regime outlawed the commercial sale and civilian ownership of firearms. The country recently doubled down on its gun ban through a combination of gun buybacks and confiscations in 2016.
As protests and unrest increase in Venezuela, Maduro has created a landscape where civilians are disarmed but his supporters are not.
“A gun for every militiaman!” Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro said outside the presidential palace. The arming of Maduro’s supporters comes five years after Venezuela’s socialist regime outlawed the commercial sale and civilian ownership of firearms. The country recently doubled down on its gun ban through a combination of gun buybacks and confiscations in 2016.
As protests and unrest increase in Venezuela, Maduro has created a landscape where civilians are disarmed but his supporters are not.
wait for it...
...guns.
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10-03-2017, 03:39 PM
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Hey vitamin J >> the article is about denmark, also, it's only from what I can find, published on homepages / "news outlets" owned and run by former *****. Wouldn't consider those a source. Smells a lot like modern fiction.
Also, the US has the most guns, and most shootings. Australia has been mentioned above, they fixed the problem.
An AR-15 is a bit more deadly than a chefs knife.
Where I live (county), we have about the same gun per capita as Texas. However, we have just about no gun violence, mainly due to that all guns are registered hunting / target shooting guns. Now, they are not AR-15's, and in case of a zombie apocalypse / russian invasion, that might be a problem. But I'd like to see bobby redneck hold off a mechanized spetsnaz company regardless of armament.. Yup, criminals have guns here as well, ranging from 22's to ak-47's, but they are fewer, and mass shootings in Sweden are very rare things.
Local gun laws in chicago, yeah, cant you just drive for a couple of hours, buy what you want and drive back? I would think that gun laws would have to be national to have any kind of effect.
Edit, I'll go on with this.
The second amendment, from my point of view, would make it easier for the leaders of the country to quickly scramble an armed militia. As they did during the American revolution. but then, nowadays the US army equips its soldiers, you really do not need to bring your own gun. So are you interpreting it as "in case of dictatorship, we need to be able to go to war against our own army"? It sounds like a really tough fight to win. So then, do the local shooting club count as a militia? In that case, what would its use be to the state or people seing as it is regulated in the constitution?
Also, the US has the most guns, and most shootings. Australia has been mentioned above, they fixed the problem.
An AR-15 is a bit more deadly than a chefs knife.
Where I live (county), we have about the same gun per capita as Texas. However, we have just about no gun violence, mainly due to that all guns are registered hunting / target shooting guns. Now, they are not AR-15's, and in case of a zombie apocalypse / russian invasion, that might be a problem. But I'd like to see bobby redneck hold off a mechanized spetsnaz company regardless of armament.. Yup, criminals have guns here as well, ranging from 22's to ak-47's, but they are fewer, and mass shootings in Sweden are very rare things.
Local gun laws in chicago, yeah, cant you just drive for a couple of hours, buy what you want and drive back? I would think that gun laws would have to be national to have any kind of effect.
Edit, I'll go on with this.
The second amendment, from my point of view, would make it easier for the leaders of the country to quickly scramble an armed militia. As they did during the American revolution. but then, nowadays the US army equips its soldiers, you really do not need to bring your own gun. So are you interpreting it as "in case of dictatorship, we need to be able to go to war against our own army"? It sounds like a really tough fight to win. So then, do the local shooting club count as a militia? In that case, what would its use be to the state or people seing as it is regulated in the constitution?
There are many differences between our countries, mainly that the average US state has more people and less land area than your entire country. Another reason is that your country has a much much MUCH more educated population. I would guess both of those two things have far more to do with gun violence, or just crime in general, than gun registry/gun bans. Breivik was able to do what he did in Norway which I assume is similar to Sweden. You can't ever prevent against that except by having an educated and content population. I think that's where we need to focus in the US. 60 people dead in Vegas overnight seems like an insane number, but really in Chicago alone there were 57 gun murders in the month of September. That is the constant gun crime that happens every day in the US, and as sad as it is to say the mass shootings are a very small percentage of the actual deaths. These stories catch more news headlines even though they're much more rare and much harder to prevent so we talk about them more and the inner-city violence continues to be ignored.
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10-03-2017, 03:50 PM
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Vitamin J > youth **** organization. following **** ideals on a retard level. You know, the usual.
Yeah, Utöya was horrible. No way to protect against everything as you said. Still, on a gun violence per capita scale, US is #1, at least in the western world, but I would honestly not be very surprised if you guys compare with at least some of the more unstable parts of the middle east.
Your points about education rings true to me, but that raises the question "if you have a bunch of uneducated dudes nationally, should you really make it easy for them to get hold of high powered rifles"?
Yeah, Utöya was horrible. No way to protect against everything as you said. Still, on a gun violence per capita scale, US is #1, at least in the western world, but I would honestly not be very surprised if you guys compare with at least some of the more unstable parts of the middle east.
Your points about education rings true to me, but that raises the question "if you have a bunch of uneducated dudes nationally, should you really make it easy for them to get hold of high powered rifles"?
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10-03-2017, 04:02 PM
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If the day comes that the United States Armed Forces, under the direction of a corrupt leadership, attempt to subjugate the population and place us under something resembling a police-state, I will proudly cower the shadows until the majority of the violence is over, and then loot the belongings of those killed in a futile effort to resist the largest and most well-equipped army in the history of mankind.
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10-03-2017, 04:05 PM
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Secondly, Crimea proves that people bordering Russia should re-consider gun rights. The "little green men" showed up with just a few light weapons of their own and mostly just used bully thug tactics, encircled the Ukranian military in their barracks, and blocked the roads while the local population was forced to keep silent and the few brave people who stood up and tried to fight them off were easily captured and "disappeared." By the time any legitimate Ukrainian response could be mustered, the objectives on the ground were already taken and there were no options left to Ukraine but to concede the territory and those people have lost any freedom they had and now live under Russian law. That's exactly the type of thing private gun ownership could protect against.
Lastly, everyone has their favorite apocalyptic scenario: Yellowstone eruption, Cali "the big one" earthquake, mass plagues, etc. Hell, if the climate change people are right then Washington DC and half of the southern US coast will be under water in my lifetime and presumably there will be millions and millions of desperate refugees.
No, I don't really think any of this is likely to happen. But I could think of a thousand more scenarios thanks to my over-active imagination and knowledge of history and therefore the argument holds a little more weight in the grand scheme of things.
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10-03-2017, 04:14 PM
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That is the constant gun crime that happens every day in the US, and as sad as it is to say the mass shootings are a very small percentage of the actual deaths. These stories catch more news headlines even though they're much more rare and much harder to prevent so we talk about them more and the inner-city violence continues to be ignored.
The stuff you see reported on the news is pretty much the exact stuff you don't have to worry about. Why? The fact that it made the news in the first place meant it was rare and unusual.
If someone falls into the Grand Canyon while riding a unicycle and playing flaming bagpipes, that would at least make the A block of the morning news.
Are you particularly concerned that falling into the Grand Canyon is a peril which you are likely to face?
By comparison, about 25,000 people a year die in the US as a result of routine slip-and-fall injuries. That's more people every singe day than are murdered by retired accountants with fully-automatic weapons while attending country music festivals in a whole year in the US. (Or, for perspective, also more than are murdered in Baltimore in an average 4 month period.)
But they key word is "routine." We're used to it.
Meanwhile, every single time a poorly-maintained helicopter piloted by an illegal immigrant transporting a load of rabid, HIV-infected bobcats accidentally drops its cargo while flying over an elementary school playground, it's front page news.
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10-03-2017, 04:15 PM
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Vitamin J > youth **** organization. following **** ideals on a retard level. You know, the usual.
Yeah, Utöya was horrible. No way to protect against everything as you said. Still, on a gun violence per capita scale, US is #1, at least in the western world, but I would honestly not be very surprised if you guys compare with at least some of the more unstable parts of the middle east.
Your points about education rings true to me, but that raises the question "if you have a bunch of uneducated dudes nationally, should you really make it easy for them to get hold of high powered rifles"?
Yeah, Utöya was horrible. No way to protect against everything as you said. Still, on a gun violence per capita scale, US is #1, at least in the western world, but I would honestly not be very surprised if you guys compare with at least some of the more unstable parts of the middle east.
Your points about education rings true to me, but that raises the question "if you have a bunch of uneducated dudes nationally, should you really make it easy for them to get hold of high powered rifles"?
To answer you question: because the guns already are here and it's a constitutional right so there's really nothing to be had in legislation but diminishing returns. On the other hand we have nearly unlimited ways we could pursue a better educated population. Your idea, ban guns from idiots, just leads to more idiots and less freedom and is a race to the bottom. My idea, keep guns ban idiots, leads to better people and a better country.
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10-03-2017, 04:41 PM
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Do both? Australia did it, collected the guns. Supposedly the state would save the cost of buying the guns off of you, gun injuries are expensive, and I'm not sure that the victim pays for it in most cases.
As far as violent crime goes, as said above, I'd do a hell of a lot more damage with the carbine I had in the military than I'd do with my frying pan. And so would the psychos / criminals.
If you do not want to ban all guns, and I can relate to that, I enjoy 9mm target practice, then ban the carbines and actually make it harder getting a gun. For people who hunt / compete / have target practice as a hobby the loops and hurdles to get a registered gun will still be worth it.
And I'm curious how banning guns from idiots lead to more idiots? That is an interesting thought
As far as violent crime goes, as said above, I'd do a hell of a lot more damage with the carbine I had in the military than I'd do with my frying pan. And so would the psychos / criminals.
If you do not want to ban all guns, and I can relate to that, I enjoy 9mm target practice, then ban the carbines and actually make it harder getting a gun. For people who hunt / compete / have target practice as a hobby the loops and hurdles to get a registered gun will still be worth it.
And I'm curious how banning guns from idiots lead to more idiots? That is an interesting thought
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10-03-2017, 04:46 PM
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An American citizen would never have to fight against a military made us American citizens.. doesn't matter how corrupt the US government got. It just wouldn't happen. However any other country in the world who is pushing the idea we should be like them is laughable. Sweden? Please what a bunch of sellouts, you throw your own women in jail for defending themselves against immigrant rapists. You can't even protect your women in the name of multiculturalism. Your not even men if you can't protect your women and you will be strangers in your own country in no time.
America is not perfect but it has been the driving force of progress in the world for the last 100 years. This idea of one world where everyone is special and the same is stupid.
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10-03-2017, 05:09 PM
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Do both? Australia did it, collected the guns. Supposedly the state would save the cost of buying the guns off of you, gun injuries are expensive, and I'm not sure that the victim pays for it in most cases.
As far as violent crime goes, as said above, I'd do a hell of a lot more damage with the carbine I had in the military than I'd do with my frying pan. And so would the psychos / criminals.
If you do not want to ban all guns, and I can relate to that, I enjoy 9mm target practice, then ban the carbines and actually make it harder getting a gun. For people who hunt / compete / have target practice as a hobby the loops and hurdles to get a registered gun will still be worth it.
And I'm curious how banning guns from idiots lead to more idiots? That is an interesting thought
As far as violent crime goes, as said above, I'd do a hell of a lot more damage with the carbine I had in the military than I'd do with my frying pan. And so would the psychos / criminals.
If you do not want to ban all guns, and I can relate to that, I enjoy 9mm target practice, then ban the carbines and actually make it harder getting a gun. For people who hunt / compete / have target practice as a hobby the loops and hurdles to get a registered gun will still be worth it.
And I'm curious how banning guns from idiots lead to more idiots? That is an interesting thought
Again, Breivik committed a massacre far worse than what happened in Vegas with a 9mm hand gun, so your argument doesn't hold water. People like that cannot be stopped once they get it in their mind, we already agreed on that. We have to prevent it from getting into their mind in the first place.
The more you legislate to the lowest common denominator, the more your population begins to represent the lowest common denominator.
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10-03-2017, 05:10 PM
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meanwhile this is how the UK deals with islam:
Britain will limit sales of sulphuric acid and outlaw the sale of such corrosive substances to children after a spate of assaults and its possible use to make bombs, interior minister Amber Rudd said on Tuesday.
Much to public alarm, the number of incidents where assailants have used acid has risen sharply, with police figures suggesting there had been more than 400 corrosive substance attacks in the six months to April this year.
Many victims were left with serious, life-changing injuries as a result.
The proposed new laws will make it illegal to sell the most harmful corrosive substances to under-18s while the carrying of acid in public without good reason will be banned.
Much to public alarm, the number of incidents where assailants have used acid has risen sharply, with police figures suggesting there had been more than 400 corrosive substance attacks in the six months to April this year.
Many victims were left with serious, life-changing injuries as a result.
The proposed new laws will make it illegal to sell the most harmful corrosive substances to under-18s while the carrying of acid in public without good reason will be banned.
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