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Old 05-04-2010, 06:06 PM   #121
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I still want to start a campaign to buy up all the land along the border and put in the hands of private sitizens. After which those citizens will be provided gun and ammunition, night vision equipment and alcohol. Along the border itself, there will be signs posted evert 20ft stating that the land is a no trespassing area and that trespassors will be shot upon first sight..no questions asked.


I'd give it about 2 days and 30 or so popped fence jumpers before words gets out that it's no longer a good idea to come leech off of the US illegally.

Personally, I'd like to have a nice system of catwalks and birds nests about 3000ft from the border and a Barrett .50 cal.
For something as seemingly simple as physical border security, the red tape sure does make it a ******* difficult thing to accomplish. No need for a fence system, the bodies will make a nice barrier in no time. Post warning signs like you said, have more vehicle patrols, and maybe a nest of machine guns every mile or two, and a larger tower every 3 or 4 miles, more night vision cameras and sensors, maybe even employ balloons with sensitive detection equipment every 10 miles or so, for the long reach, early warning... I don't see where that would be questionable or difficult to do. A little initial cost, and maybe several thousand people to operate it...

Or for ultra efficiency, just deploy motion sensing machine gun turrets and some kind of long range unmanned artillery, and give them a mile or two warning that ahead is death, turn around. Reduced manpower, cost, and improved efficiency. Maybe in that line, also include mines, so if they somehow are able to sneak past the guns, maybe the mines will get them. I wouldn't feel a single bit of guilt for anyone killed, because they had plenty of warning.
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I remember when I was down in Sierra Vista, AZ cougars would drop off the illegals there and tell them it was LA. They would wander around and end up in peoples backyard, just to get picked up my immigration and sent back over. You had to be careful on the trails out there cause pretty much all the cougars were armed. Running into them on a hike might not end well.
Cougars? I think you mean Coyotes.

I doubt there are hordes of sex starved 35-45 year old women dropping off illegals in SV. Picking them up maybe, but not dropping them off. I would not be surprised of most cougars are armed. They are very much into the independent female thing.
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Cougars? I think you mean Coyotes.

I doubt there are hordes of sex starved 35-45 year old women dropping off illegals in SV. Picking them up maybe, but not dropping them off. I would not be surprised of most cougars are armed. They are very much into the independent female thing.
**** lol.... Yea... I knew something sounded 'off' when I reread that.
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From someone in Homeland Security:

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FYI, if you are trying to mail fraudulent passports and birth certificates internationally, don't wrote "PERSONAL DO NOT OPEN" all over the packages. that tends to arouse suspicion ... of course those get searched especially if coming to/from mexico.
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THIS JUST IN, THE MASSIVE TAKEOVER OF MEXICANS IN ARIZONA HAS BEEN SOLVED!!!!!


Suns to wear 'Los Suns' uniforms to honor Phoenix's Latino community



In general, people in the sports world keep their political leanings to themselves. Sure, there are a few guys who regularly speak out on political issues, but for the most part that's considered bad business. As Michael Jordan put it, "Republicans buy shoes too." That's why what the Phoenix Suns are doing is so amazing.

The team will be wearing its "Los Suns" jerseys for Wednesday night's Game 2 against the San Antonio Spurs "to honor [the] Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona, and our nation." Awesome.

The decision to wear the jerseys came from way up the corporate ladder, as team owner Robert Sarver suggested the team wear their Noche Latina alternates.

Sarver, who was born and raised in Tucson, said frustration with the federal government's failure to deal with the illegal immigration issue led to the passage of what he called "a flawed state law."

"However intended, the result of passing the law is that our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law are being called into question," he said, "and Arizona's already struggling economy will suffer even further setbacks at a time when the state can ill-afford them."

The Suns voted on the jerseys and unanimously decided to wear them for Cinco De Mayo. As if he weren't likeable enough, Phoenix guard Steve Nash(notes) succinctly summed up the Suns' feelings on the issue.

"I think it's fantastic," Nash said after Tuesday's practice. "I think the law is very misguided. I think it's, unfortunately, to the detriment of our society and our civil liberties. I think it's very important for us to stand up for things we believe in. As a team and as an organization, we have a lot of love and support for all of our fans. The league is very multicultural. We have players from all over the world, and our Latino community here is very strong and important to us."

And it's not just the Suns who are speaking out on this issue.

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich is on board, and the team even tried to get their "Los Spurs" jerseys, though it was too late to do so. When asked for approval to wear the jerseys, the NBA "was all for it," said Suns general manager Steve Kerr. Furthermore, NBA Players Association executive director Billy Hunter issued a press release, denouncing the law.

The recent passage of the new immigration law in Arizona is disappointing and disturbing. The National Basketball Players Association strongly supports the repeal or immediate modification of this legislation. Any attempt to encourage, tolerate or legalize racial profiling is offensive and incompatible with basic notions of fairness and equal protection. A law that unfairly targets one group is ultimately a threat to all.

We applaud the actions of Phoenix Suns players and management and join them in taking a stand against the misguided efforts of Arizona lawmakers. We are consulting with our members and our player leadership to determine the most effective way for our union to continue to voice our opposition to this legislation.

It's not much, just an extra three letters on the front of a tanktop, but it means a lot more. As Kerr said, the Suns want to "make sure that people understand that we know what's going on and we don't agree with the law itself." For a sports team, that's huge.
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I would refuse to play if they forced me to wear a Los Suns jersey. **** diversity, there was nothing wrong with the regular Suns.
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I'm boycotting the NBA...who's with me?

Seriously, what a ******y move.
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Remember when Greece told everyone they don't get hand outs anymore or else the country was going to go bankrupt and needed to be sold off? that was lol.
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So a ill-advised law now spurs (pun intended) a mis-guided stupid gesture. Great.

This whole thing really helps to remind me why I moved out of there.
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I'm boycotting the NBA...who's with me?

Seriously, what a ******y move.
I'll add the NBA to my list.. so far it's SF, Chicago, and NBA.
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I am already boycotting the NBA. ******* prima-dona flopper arrogant crap.
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Basketball is boring...
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I went to see a Wizards game. I was only excited because Cal Ripken Jr. was a few rows in front of me...
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Why do the dumbass Suns keep referring to Hispania and central America? We're talking about bean eating Mexicans here. Mexicans, say it, Mexico. See everyone, "Mexican" is not offensive. Receiving social services and laundering money to Mexico, that's ugly. We don't talk about taxes though when illegal immigration is discussed...we talk about mean white people.
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Everyone pretty much hates America, yet we don't expect people to call us North Americans, or Canada's southern border. Mexican! Mexican! Mexican! Just makes it that much more clear to me that even people that say they are pro immigration still don't like them, because they think it's offensive to call them by what they are, because it's associated with negative feelings.
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Everyone pretty much hates America, yet we don't expect people to call us North Americans

and they say it in English...
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I consider myself a Mexophile...as I have traveled the country, love the food, the culture, the anthropology, and even the sports.

As a whole there should be nothing derogatory about being called Mexican, in fact my wife still takes pride in it, but she's from the capital, they're a little different there.

In current political and social context there should be no harm in using it, as long as it's just referring to nationality, and not a broad generalization of a type of person. Not all illegals are Mexicans, and not all Mexicans are like the folks standing on our street corners waiting for a white truck.
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[email protected] complaining about illegals stealing their jobs. You can't compete with a guy that doesn't speak English and has a maybe 6th grade education?

You want to stop illegal immigration with a wall? Or by checking people's papers? 's

"Let's just shoot em at the border!" Good luck with that. You got nothing on these guys or this wall:

And you know how successful they were. People find a way.

Quick, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!", that wasn't just a speech against the evils of Communism, he was talking about Oppression as well.

You want a Market with less Government intervention? You relax immigration policies, you let employers hire the best employees they can find at the market wage rate. Picking apples isn't a $10/hour job.

The idea that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes is laughable. This is to ignore the fact that they pay almost every other tax except for income, ss (which they don't qualify for) and medicaid (also don't qualify for). They pay sales tax (local/state funding) and property taxes (which pays for education in TX). You want them to pay income tax then don't make it a crime to report the income. Also, the businesses pay their Income Taxes which are a function of their prosperity (and probably higher if they are paying employees under the table).

So then it comes down to SS, let's say they give them a invalid SSN to get hired. They'll never collect that SS and yet they are paying the tax. You really complaining about that?

So then it's down to Medical Care? Our system is so jacked up (even more so now) and the illegal immigrants are the ones ruining it for everyone else? Sure. You go look at the type of medical care they get (the bare minimum) and then you tell me they are putting one by on the system. BTW not treating a patient in need is unethical in any country regardless of immigration.

So then there's the violence and crime. Most of the violence and crime that is blamed on illegal immigrants has is drug-related. The easiest answer for both countries would be to legalize all drugs and I don't completely understand why Mexico hasn't unilaterally done so.

Seems like the hardcore Conservatives would also be for this, keeping the Government out of your life by legalizing all drugs. Hell, then they could tax em. Take a trip down memory lane and visit Prohibition versus post-Prohibition.

Or is this simply a case of Conservatives thinking that this is a good enough reason to stop someone from hurting themselves and therefor mandates that the Government interfere? Ohh the irony.

Another economic long-term goal is growth, correct? What happens when your birthrate continues to decline? You have a dwindling youth supporting an aging population. This is already happening in Japan, which has a small physical barrier to easy immigration as well; ""One major long-term concern for the Japanese labour force is a low birthrate. In the first half of 2005, the number of deaths in Japan exceeded the number of births, indicating that the decline in population, initially predicted to start in 2007, had already started. While one countermeasure for a declining birthrate would be to remove barriers to immigration, the Japanese government has been reluctant to do so." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_economy

Retiring Baby Boomers + less immigration = a declining US Economy. This is not really the long term economic model I'd like to see.

And lastly, the biggest argument against Arizona's BS law and stupid/knee-jerk anti-immigration rhetoric is this:


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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
' With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
So in conclusion, we are a nation of immigrants, like it or not (ask your local Native American if not). We need a well thought out immigration policy that maintains an easy flow of capital and labor to the markets that it will be most efficient in. Knee-jerk reactionary political-pandering laws do not accomplish this.

Chris

BTW I don't condone illegally entering the country but I would do it if I was stuck on the other side of the border.
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Forgot to say Happy Cinco de Mayo and suck it Arizona:



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Wow, long serious post. I do agree with you on most everything you said though. It still doesn't change the fact that they are coming illegally, and that is the issue. Do give us your tired and poor, but not in such huge numbers, and not undocumented and illegal. That is my only issue. They can come here all they want and fill the low pay jobs, or any job, doesn't bother me a bit.

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