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Old 11-09-2012, 11:45 AM   #161
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Well, I'd rather have 'soft' policy then ignite a conflict which includes Russia and China.

I'd argue that two failed wars with 3rd world countries makes us look weaker, - both politically and financially.


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Old 11-09-2012, 11:46 AM   #162
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Retirees dont get taxed for income unless its more than what they are allowed to make but then they arent retired now are they? And social security isnt exactly all social. You pay in and your employer pays in and supposedly that money grows and yadayada. So maybe an inverse system for people who are down on their luck. We pay you now and you pay us back?
I am not sure you understand how either of these systems work. I believe if you make over 33k from social security then you are taxed on your social security benefits beyond 33k even if you have no other income so, yes, you are retired. Most elderly are also paying taxes on the withdraws from their retirement funds. Are you suggesting that because you have income coming in that you are not retired?

If you draw from social security programs like disability when you are younger and then start working again your SS benefits for retirement are lessened in proportion to what you withdrew from disability unless you pay it off. This is how it was explained to my ex-gf who was applying for disability due to losing most of the function in her right leg due to a medical condition. Of course if you never come off of social security you will never pay the system back.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:52 AM   #163
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Well, I'd rather have 'soft' policy then ignite a conflict which includes Russia and China.

I'd argue that two failed wars with 3rd world countries makes us look weaker, - both politically and financially.


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Because there is nothing in between all out war and a "stern complaint"....
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:54 AM   #164
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Because there is nothing in between all out war and a "stern complaint"....
Uh...


What about drones?

Also it's funny that the politics section is maybe MORE active after the election than it was before.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:03 PM   #165
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Uh...


What about drones?
Are you talking about the Obama administration's increased use of drone attacks in the middle east? This is something he does that I agree with. However, I am not sure how drones apply as a response to this particular situation unless you are implying that we should initiate another drone strike. I probably would not suggest that either as I could not even begin to tell you what an appropriate target would be or if there is even an appropriate target.

All I am saying is that when a country fires at one of our aircraft that is unarmed and our direct response is a "stern complaint" something is not right. Especially when this is coming from a country that is already not cooperating with international coalitions like the UN in the regulation of their nuclear program which is more than likely developing a nuclear weapon. To make it even better, this country is likely to use this weapon threaten Isreal, our only true ally in the region.

If you and I were enemies and I shot a gun at you and missed while you were walking by my house would you just give me a "stern complaint"? If you would, I would probably shoot at you again.

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Old 11-09-2012, 01:04 PM   #166
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"The incident, reported first by CNN, raised fresh concerns within the Obama administration about Iranian military aggression in crucial Gulf oil shipping lanes."

In for gas hike.

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So what? Go to war with a mostly peaceful country that is run by a bunch of crazy ******** who were put into power when we fucked things up in the 70s? Surely another Iraq will help everything!
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:18 PM   #168
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I am at a point where I think the House should give Obama anything he asks for in taxes and revenue changes; increase the debt ceiling. When it all goes to ****, the Republicans will have clean hands. All they can do is obstruct his plans and take the blame for his failures at this point.

When it all goes to ****, fiscal conservatives can take over and start righting the ship of state without any interference from the left. If it doesn't go to ****, what have we lost?
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I love Obama's foreign policy.....

Iran fighter jets fired at an unarmed US drone on Nov 2nd. This, of course, was not made public until Nov 8th. Obama administration response was to "Issue a stern complaint via diplomatic channels." That is a direct quote. I am not saying to start a war but his lax policies in the middle east are starting to make this country look weak and our enemies are gorwing emboldened.
Yes, because civilians are told classified information and what is really going on. Lets not forget that a spy plane over cuba was shot up taking photo's up nukes and JFK lied about it to keep the military from starting WW3.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:27 PM   #170
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"The incident, reported first by CNN, raised fresh concerns within the Obama administration about Iranian military aggression in crucial Gulf oil shipping lanes."

In for gas hike.

-Zach

we get our drones shot at and shot down weekly. This is not a big deal, the cover up of the Benghazi terrorist attack is.
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When it all goes to ****, fiscal conservatives can take over and start righting the ship of state without any interference from the left. If it doesn't go to ****, what have we lost?
I hope by 'fiscal conservative' you are not suggesting the GOP. If Obama is Karl Marx, then every contemporary republican candidate has been, at the very least, a socialist pig.



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we get our drones shot at and shot down weekly. This is not a big deal, the cover up of the Benghazi terrorist attack is.

You're officially enlisted, huh?

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You're officially enlisted, huh?

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what?

Iran shooting at and missing our drones is not newsworthy. I swear I've read at least 3-4 stories about Drones being shot down over the summer.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:42 PM   #174
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Seriously. What do you think the Air Force would do if it detected an Iranian drone flying over the US? Politely ask them to stop?

Lets not forget who is actually violating airspace here.
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israel downed an iranian drone not too long ago...


obama supporters would like to see iran destory isreal however.
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Seriously. What do you think the Air Force would do if it detected an Iranian drone flying over the US? Politely ask them to stop?

Lets not forget who is actually violating airspace here.
We were not in their airspace and we have been flying the same route for months.

Maybe its just me but that sounds like military aggression.

EDIT: This also marks the first time Iranians have fired on a US drone.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:57 PM   #177
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I have.

Your 1st part is not entirely accurate: while there are many that tax more, there are also many that tax way less, or not tax at all.
How's life in those places?

Would it be accurate to say that we get the most for the relative taxes we do pay?

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Silver platter? Sure, if you're a scumbag loser collecting welfare/assistance/unemployment. If you're a hard working honest person you get taxed out the *** and called a whiner any time you complain about being taxed out the ***.
None of these people on welfare or public assistance is getting anything on a silver platter. If you think so then you should go join them. They are provided enough to survive. If they game the system by also working on the side, that is a failure in enforcement. Furthermore, the taxes expended on these programs are fractions of what is being spent on other foolish programs. Saying that the people on welfare are a drain on us is ludicrous.

Silver platter is a relative term, we have everything available to us here if you want it. Nothing is restricted and all the possible accommodations are made for you to get the things you want.

You pay for unemployment from your paycheck. It is called unemployment INSURANCE for a reason and it is very different than welfare or public assistance.

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I don't think anyone's complaining about how "BAD" it is here. I think everyone is complaining about how THIS COUNTRY IS BEING RUN INTO THE GROUND. I love living here too, and it pains me to see this. The losers get EVERYTHING on a silver platter, and the rich/ballers get ALL the tax breaks and incentives. The hard working middle class gets it in the pooper without lube.
Those tax breaks are available to everyone. They aren't magically only available to the 1%. If you can take advantage of it then do it. Tax breaks are not the reason we have problems. Even when you do the math and tax the rich more it still wont fix the problems. But you know what our problems, if you can even call them that are bullshit compared to countries like Greece, Spain, Iceland and etc.

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Just my politically un-educated opinion. When I look at my pay checks and how much is deducted every pay period (I opt for maximum so that I never owe at the end of the year), as well as the almost 10% tax we pay on everything here, as well as all the fee's/bullshit we have to pay for our cars/houses/etc, it makes me sad.

What makes you sad is that because you do not directly pay for any of the things that make the world go round you feel that someone is basically stealing from you.

Compare yourself to other countries where the income taxes are much higher than yours, how do you think those people feel? Even with their wonderful socialized healthcare the quality of the healthcare is terrible and as a result the mortality rates are higher. People who **** and moan about Obamacare A. Dont know anything about it B. have never experienced healthcare anywhere else. I say ship those ******* to Canada(no ambulances) or the UK(3 month wait to see a physician, over crowded ER's) and have them experience first hand what could be.

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Old 11-09-2012, 03:22 PM   #178
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My problem with politics is that everything is a popularity contest and no one is better than the Democrats at it. They speak of wanting to do everything that is popular regardless of what it might mean to the whole of the country. Healthcare? I just spent 5 hours in an emergency room with my wife as she nearly passed out with flu like symptoms. It took someone with authority (a minor care nurse) to finally come over and say "you have the flu and you cant do anything but wait it out, take this for nausea and then start taking tylenol and motrin". FIVE HOURS?!?!?! What in Obamacare is going to relieve this situation. Nothing!!!! The answer is total reform, not free medicine but you think Obama or any other candidate has the power to fix it. Absolutely not.
Total reform wont fix your ER wait time and anyone who thinks Obamacare is the solution to such problems is a narrow minded fool and Obamacare is not free healthcare.

Do you have any clue how a hospital works? Patients get seen based on severity of their condition. If it was bad you should have called an ambulance, that gets you to the front of the line.

I'll tell you what will happen though. Obamacare will make healthcare affordable to more people. People wont run to the ER for every little thing, instead they will go see a primary physician. This will relieve congestion at the hospitals. With more primary care being the focus it will reduce the numbers of people that get sick enough to be hospitalized and this will further reduce the burden on them. It will also make hospitals work harder to provide better care as that will determine their reimbursement so people will get seen faster too.

Pro-Tip, buy yourself a god damn thermometer and a book and stop running to the hospital for every minor ache and pain. So unless you have projectile vomiting and splitting headache, call your primary physician.

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I plan to be rich one day and I dont think having to give an even higher percentage of my pay to someone who doesnt have the common sense to use a condom or hold down a job is putting my tax money to good use. Its a lack of respect that has gotten us to where we are.
Because you cant be rich while still paying those taxes right? Spoken like a true republican.

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Sam, are you in the healthcare industry? That last part about it being affordable is so moronic I can only facepalm. I'll respond to the rest of your ramblings too when I'm bored and have time. But being in the healthcare industry for the majority of my career I think you are posting out of your ***.
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Why should the rich pay more in taxes?
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