Trayvon killing is heinous, don't get me wrong. However, America and the president seem to think this is a hate crime.
If you go back to this story about two black teens dousing a white kid with gasoline and burning him, you have to get into the 6th paragraph before we talk about "hate" and possible racial motivation.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/17048649/...tudent-on-fire
Most other links and stories don't even mention the ethnicity considerations. Good job, America.

If the NAACP isn't careful, their leaders are going to give us reasons to hate them.

Also, why is the federal government involved at all?

Likely tied to the reporting "police officer's" questionable report that doesn't match the physical evidence.

So one, single trigger caused this? I spend enough time in New Orleans to know it takes more than one questionable police shooting/killing/murder to get the feds involved. This is an issue for state law enforcement and lawmakers, not the federal government...yet. The more I read about the savage burning of a child in KC, MO, the more infuriated I become at these people.

Welcome to what public outrage can do, circa 1889.

I'm with you on this. It's a very stupid situation with a very simple explanation and a very simple solution that does not deserve the media attention it is getting, nor the outrage it is getting from the places it is getting it.

The real pain in my ass is how gun owners are taking such a beating for this moron who most likely should not have killed the guy and should not even be armed as a neighborhood watchman. Its one thing to carry and use the gun for defense, its another to play "amateur law enforcement", armed, looking to start something. Unfortunately America will think all gun owners are walking around looking for someone to shoot and we'll probably be set-back to 10-years.

After the recent Supreme Court ruling, I don't know how much can actually be done with respect to this and gun rights.

But yeah, like I said, I'm in the same boat as you. This whole situation is retarded. Some dumbass looking to shoot someone isn't reflective of an entire group of people. With that said, Hustly, remember this sentence to apply to future situations of other groups of people. :P

Dude I ------- live here and didn't even know about that until YOU posted it...

What are you insinuating?

That the actions of one person aren't reflective of an entire group of people?

Why are you reminding me of this?

Because it's a card I'm reserving to play in a future political argument with you.

You're going to have a hard time backing it up. I'm certain that you'll find some satire or irony to utilize as a heartfelt statement of stereotyping.

I already have you "rape is a choice if you dress sexy." How about this one, "All non-whites, homosexuals, and womyn are intellectually inferior and utilize their predisposition to unscrupulous methods for social advancement which target white males out of jealousy for their genetic purity and gender superiority."

You can use this too, it's short and sweet:
"I'm no grand imperial wizard, but I play one on the internet."

I don't know if anyone say MSNBC's edit of the 911 call to try and make it seem racist. The transcript is as follows:
Zimmerman: We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

Zimmerman:This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about.

911 operator: OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Msnbc edited the tape to this.
Zimmerman: He looks like he's up to no good. He looks black.

How sad we can't rely on anything in the media anymore. We don't know the facts. We weren't there. We aren't the jury, judge, or executioner. We don't know what really happened. The amount of pure speculation and outright fabrication related to this whole thing is just disgusting. It was a sad thing that happened. It's even more sad that there is no way Zimmerman will get a fair trial.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333222010

Trayvaughn Santiago is dead, and that is a tragedy. But he is dead because he had no code. He is dead because he had no honor, and God was watching.

Holy content filled first post batman!

You're right. I LoL'd when they posted that on their website and like CBS called them on it.. Both sides are guilty of it but it feels to me like the vast majority of leftist media outlets flat out lie about things far more than even the craziest right wing nutjobs even dream of.. That's pretty much why I believe nothing in the news.

Did you order a "Code Red" Joe??

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Son, we live in a world that has streets, and those streets have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Hustler? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for Trayvaughn and you curse the Neighborhood patrol. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Trayvaughn's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that street! You need me on that street! We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

Died laughing Joe, would read again!

P.S. Is Joe the first guy on MT to break 100 props?

him or me, yes.

I don't get it, what does NBC have to gain from this? Although I think he's a retard and he's going to prison, I hope he or his family sue and win for this type of bullshit.

WTF am I supposed to watch before work in the mornings now?

I do what I can. : ) Yeah. That's just dishonest even by NBC's standards..... which are similar to the standards of your average identity thief as far as honesty goes. I don't believe anything I read or watch. It's impossible to stay informed without doing your own fact checking. You listen to MSNBC you'd think all white people hate black people and all Republicans are heartless rich people. You listen to Fox and you'd think all democrats are liberal environmental extremists. I do think Fox at least makes a half-hearted attempt to be honest and somewhat balanced. When discussing an issue, Fox usually brings in a Dem to talk about the other side of it. On Msnbc it's only one side or Chris Mathews brings on someone who doesn't know what they're doing so he can spend a whole segment interrupting that person and trying to act like he won an argument. I do watch Fox if I want to hear about what's going on and I do agree with most of what Fox says.

I guess they gain a "better" story.

Sleep in a bit or show up early and leave early.

NBC does have an agenda. They want to stir up racial tension in order to stop blacks voting Republican in November. It's not a coincidence that it's an election year. If they can feed the narative of white racism against blacks, blacks will be less likely to vote for the obviously racist white Republican nominee. They'll also point back to this when Republicans stood against this kind of unfair treatment and say that Republicans don't care about Trayvon, they're just trying to stick up for their white friends. Zimmerman is not white, he's a registered hispanic voter.

Easy. Leave earlier and take the long way and have some fun. :)

Even with ASTs my daily sucks.

Enjoy the scenery then? :) Or get a better daily!

:rofl:

Fixed that for you. :rolleyes:

Well, On the up-side... for stockholders, for now...
Some of the 'logic' fries my three remaining neuro-receptors.

'I'm buyin' Skittles in support of Tray.'
'Y'know, Wrigley's is makin' a killing on those because of all this.'
'WHAT!?! How dare they profit on poor li'l Trayvon's death!'
:nuts:
Skittles Sales Up After Trayvon Martin Shooting - NYTimes.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/us...-shooting.html

I mean etch-a-freakin-scteches sales were up because they were mentioned by romhney.

people are retarded.


too bad sprite didn't get in on the deal, maybe they start partnering with skittles.

------' hate celebruty celebrity so much I'm sure I can't even spell it.

Did you know 49 people were shot, 10 killed, in Chicago alone on the same weekend Zimmerman was ethnically cleansing his neighborhood?

Including a 6-year-old girl who was caught in the crossfire of a gang shooting...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,3600888.story



oh wait, she was white hispanic and a black person killed her, not news worthy; just justice. You won't hear Obama speaking out about her. If he had a daughter, she would not look like Aliyah.

btw blaen:



ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin's shooting.

The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on "Good Morning America." ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.

Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows "what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman's head."

http://www.nymag.com/daily/intel/201...all.html?imw=Y

So I read through the initial 911 transcript (transcribed by MotherJones.com) and Trayvon's tweets (@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA).

I am unpersuaded from my initial impressions of this case.

Duke lacrosse part 2.

peoplewannabeoutraged.jpg

Are those gashes, welts, or just a really bad hairstyle Brainy?

/Inb4Brainystartsgettingoutraged.jpg

stfu you ------- douche.

Seriously, you can actually tell wtf that is? I can't.

and yes, I realize you've never admitted to being a ------- douche and if we going line by line to every post you've ever posted, we probably cannot determine if you are used to clean vaginas.

did you see the video they tried passing it off as "no evidence?"

typically when I'm broadcasting to million of americans, I like to make sure what I'm saying is accurate, but I'm not on NBC.

Okay Brainy, ima be srs for a sec.

I am assuming you've never had any kind of head injuries from a fight before.

If those were really gashes/cuts/whatevs, blood would be all the ---- everywhere if it was in the time frame reported that that video was taken from NBC.

So, yeah. I'm calling shennanigans on your "Never been in a fight" antics.

P.S. I still can't tell wtf those are.

(Edit) Meant NBC, not ABC. Whatevs.

he was reported to having his head slammed into grass, not concrete, and he was reported to as being cleaned up on the scene.

yes, it's hard to tell what's on his head, but it clearly shows something, where the previous video was blurred and the NBC logo was covering up most of the shot.

you also see the officer, in the video, examine his head.




Remember when Jarrod (leatherface24) posted pictures after his knife fight last week? he had gashes on his face and arm....but no blood in sight. ------- crazy huh?! it's almost as if soap and water can make blood disappear and the human body has this crazy ability to clot blood and stop bleeding out after a while.

Bolded important part. Time frames don't match boo if those are what are being reported by NBC.

are you saying the time stamps on the police survenlence tape are conveniently wrong?


i cant even find any real information on the web (like time of shooting or police call), because youre not allowed to give the facts in a case, you have to steer in one direction, the direction obama says.

EDIT: okay, police report says it's somewhere between 7:17 and 7:30. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...l%20Report.pdf

it also mentions he was bleeding from nose and back of head, and that zimmerman was heard saying he was yelling for help.

So when was the video taken? about 30 minutes later? Not enough time for you blaen?

and god they need to release the damn photos and xrays already, shut you race baiters up.

As a guy that has been in an a few altercations as a youth and fought a couple of times as an amatuer athlete, I am interested in your experience that makes you so confident in this perspective.

Ideological certitude.

The only person engaging in "race baiting" in this thread is you, Brainy.

As for actual time - it's impossible to do more than speculate, but see my response to Scrappy.

P.S.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...pagewanted=all

As a guy that has been in a few altercations as a youth and fought a couple times as an amateur athlete, I'm pretty confident there's no way that someone with a broken nose and gashes that are claimed to be that big in the picture are having it magically stop without doing something more than letting them sit there.

Seriously, Scrappy, go look again at the size of the claimed gashes. I would go so far as to say they might require stitches. We're not talking little cuts - what are claimed to be gashes are ------- gigantic and are several inches in length each direction, assuming Zimmerman isn't a midget.

My beef isn't that Zimmerman did or didn't have wounds, it's that the picture isn't possible the way NBC is trying to present it. The EMT at the scene said Zimmerman had no significant injuries, broken ---- and a gash of that magnitude wouldn't get that answer.

I find it doubly ironic because Brainy was just whining about the same source being incredibly biased, but when it supports his viewpoint, BAM, it's god's honest truth.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1qiRUs3nD supporting my statements, enjoy whining about these and trying to racebait more, Brainy.

P.S. Brainy, if Martin really did break Zimmerman's nose and did all that Zimmerman claims, there would be evidence left on Martin. Scrappy and Vash both will attest to this - if you throw a punch hard enough to break things, your hands aren't left undamaged.

We will continue speculating on the due process of law, you can keep not-speculating on his racially driven hate crime.

You've failed to see that Zimmerman is not "a big guy", look at more current photos of him, the clean-cut ones where he's slimmed up and embraced his Latino heritage. The red coloring on his head doesn't have to be a gash, they are most likely abrasions and a broken nose could be from something other than a fist that a strike with the palm, knee, food, phone, whatever...as any experienced fighter like myself is fully aware. An abrasion or contusion is not a serious injury.

You're quote from the NY daily news fails to acknowledge that when someone is carrying a firearm, you're more likely to cover and protect the weapon rather than engage and open a vulnerability to lose that weapon and possibly have it used against you. Let's also not ignore that the NY Daily News keeps using that 6-year old picture of him as a 12-year old boy...more liberal bias of course.

This pretty much sums it up, again:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333417756


Just give it a rest and cut the guy some slack, you don't know the facts but you've already assumed he's guilty.

hahahaha

lol.

As for actual time:
Police were dispatched at 7:17.
They arrived at scene and NO_LIMIT_NIGGA was declared dead on arrival at 7:30.
At 7:53 Zimmerman was recorded entering the police station.


Yeah, all we can do is speculate on time. Because time in a non-existent thing, we are all just candles in the wind. There is a vast right wing conspiracy. This is a tax break for the rich. There is no liberal bias in the media. Republicans want to cut school lunch programs. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Republicans are mean spirited and want to throw the poor out on the street. Privatizing social security is risky. Trickle down economics does not work. I am against the death penalty, because an innocent person may be executed. However, I am for paroling convicted felons in order to give them a second chance.

Tell me I'm not the only one who read "candle in the wind" and proceeded to read the rest of your post in rhythm with the song.

There is a vast, right wing conspirrrr-acy.
this is a tax break, for the rich....threisnoliberalbiasin the...media.
Republicans, want to cut school lunch...<cresc>I did not have sexual relations wtih that womannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

and so on.

Come on, blaen. Now you are just arguing to argue. A corner man can stop a broken nose from bleeding in less than 60 seconds and an EMT could surely have it stopped within the approximately half hour between the cops arriving on scene and him arriving at the station.

I agree - if the wounds were supposed to be open gashes, the bleeding would likely not have stopped and there likely would have been more blood stains. Cuts to the scalp are usually big bleeders.

To me, they look like large welts - the kind that come from blunt impacts rather than cuts.

That leads me to:

I think we agree on this (that the video is inconclusive but could show wounds). Previously, it seemed you were saying the video definitely showed he did not have the wounds claimed.

I do not recall seeing that anywhere and I feel like I spent a good part of yesterday morning reading through most of the first-hand reports available. Can you provide a link with the EMT's report or comments?

I haven't broken anyone's nose with a bare fist, but I do not accept as fact that the puncher's knuckles would show obvious damage, especially if it was a "one punch knockout."