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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 878246)
Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles That racist vigilante Zimmerman used his face to attack Trayvon's knuckles!! Bob |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 878384)
Person with gun has right to defend ones self. Black person without gun being persued apparently does not.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 878393)
Noted: Bob thinks he has the legal right to break someone's nose and smash his or her head into the concrete if Bob believes he or she is following him.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 879069)
No that is not what I believe. But under stand your ground logic he would have the right to shoot a pursuer and be done with it no questions asked apparently. Oh wait he was a black kid with a hoodie maybe not.
Bob Zimmerman shot Martin after Martin had knocked him to the ground and was straddling him, punching him in the face "MMA-style" according to a witness. Zimmerman yelled for help at least 14 times. But I'm sure he just shot him because he was a black kid in a hoodie. |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 879093)
I've never, ever argued that.
Zimmerman shot Martin after Martin had knocked him to the ground and was straddling him, punching him in the face "MMA-style" according to a witness. Zimmerman yelled for help at least 14 times. But I'm sure he just shot him because he was a black kid in a hoodie. Bob |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 879113)
Travon fought back when Zimmerman perused and confronted him likely started the altercation and Likely Zimmerman never Identified himself after Travon asked why are you fallowing me.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 879113)
Travon fought back when Zimmerman perused and confronted him likely started the altercation and Likely Zimmerman never Identified himself after Travon asked why are you fallowing me.
Bob
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 879113)
Lesson learned if you’re going to kick someone’s ass that starts a fight with you use a gun, the one who shoots first gets to claim self-defense in Florida.
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Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 879120)
Make a lot of assumptions don't you? Can you point to a credible source that shows what you said is indeed a possibility?
By the way, Bob, since when is it legal to "fight back" when someone confronts you? If I see someone I don't recognize walking down my neighborhood street aimlessly, and I ask them what their business is, do they have a legal right to knock me down, straddle me, and rain down punches "MMA-style"? |
Bob's just a racist, it's pretty cut and dry. He has a bias against "vigilante wannabe-cops" and will clearly ignore all the facts of the matter because of the black guy with a hoodie is the victim. it's so cliche it's humorous.
this is what Bob would be like in court if he was called to Zimmerman trial: |
Compare to this jury decision from yesterday in florida:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/may/...artner=popular "The fact is, under Florida law, he was allowed to stab him until he was dead. That's all you need to know as jurors to decide this case." |
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Truth? Why, my Army hoodie almost killed me when I was doing PT back in the day - have never worn one since... I for one, thing Zimmerman was right... I have every right to question someone looking suspicious in my neighborhood - if they want to pull fists and start beating me, then I got something for that too... |
Saw on the news that pictures of Zimermanns photos where released along with details on his injuries. Lacerations to back of his head, broken noise and black eyes.
Trayvon's autopsy showed only his knuckles were bruised and apparently he is a pot smoker. |
Originally Posted by Opti
(Post 879241)
Trayvon's autopsy showed only his knuckles were bruised and apparently he is a pot smoker.
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:inout:
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So what happened to Trayvon's bloody gloves?
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Braineack you dont side with the Trayvon supporters, you damn racist. I do find this whole debate pretty ridiculous, anytime more evidence comes out and I hear some of my college peers discussing it, I always but In and say well the new evidence says this.
I get the same response everytime, You're a racist. |
also, no where in the court docs does it say that zimmerman confronted trayvon...
anyone who says he did, is a racist. |
"An unnamed woman told an investigator in a police interview that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them. "I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the woman says in an audio recording.
An unnamed man told investigators said he worked with Zimmerman in 2008 for a few months. The man, who described his heritage as "Middle Eastern," said Zimmerman bullied him at work. Zimmerman wanted to "get in" with the clique at work who did not like the man, so Zimmerman exaggerated a Middle Eastern accent, and made reference to terrorists and bombings when talking about him. "It was so immature," said the employee, who complained to management about Zimmerman." This is part of "Discovery?" I am very sure that you can find someone to say almost anything about any one of us. |
yep. that's part of discovery; they have such a strong case. There's also some fluff about how it "could have been avoided" more speculation...
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I can't wait for the acquittal and subsequent shitstorm. Will make for some good TV.
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Originally Posted by Stein
(Post 879710)
I can't wait for the acquittal and subsequent shitstorm. Will make for some good TV.
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Originally Posted by stein
(Post 879710)
i can't wait for the acquittal and subsequent shitstorm. Will make for some
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Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 879769)
ftfy
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Hopefully I'll be basic during the riots, since they will most likely be in Flroida
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dont worry, no one in florida will know where to go for the riots...they wont be able to read the signs nor communicate where they are held.
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I am not sure if riots would be better or worse in Florida. When the LA riots happened, several Korean stores (victims of the black community's frustration with white cop violence?) were saved by armed residents but I have to believe the firearm-per-capita ratio in Sanford, FL is much higher than in Los Angeles, CA...
I have to think, if a genuine race riot broke out there, victims would not be sitting around watching stores burn while the cops let them work out their aggression. |
Do you think Van Jones would show up again?
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Is Holder really trying to charge Zimmerman with a federal hate crime?
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no, but the FBI has elluded to it...
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ing-fdle-agent
Several George Zimmerman witnesses change their accounts |
Meanwhile, someone finally decided to report the fact that that racist Zimmerman publicly challenged the police dept over the beating of a black man by the son of a white officer
Zimmerman complained about Sanford police in 2011 "I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line." |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 881260)
Meanwhile, someone finally decided to report the fact that that racist Zimmerman publicly challenged the police dept over the beating of a black man by the son of a white officer
Zimmerman complained about Sanford police in 2011 |
So apparently Zimmerman's bond got revoked, and he has 48 hours to surrender and go to jail.
Falsely representing financials is what that are claiming. |
He turned himself back in. Apparently, this has to do with the ~$200k raised from the website to pay for legal fees which may not have been fully or accurately disclosed during the bond hearings.
As far as I know, that money has been set aside in some sort of trust. If Zimmerman is not the trustee, he may benefit from the funds but will not be in direct control of them. |
its a flight risk thing. they base bond on what he has. when you raise 200k in a week, the bond means little and you can run away with it. its stupid.
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I had the news on at work and didnt catch all of it, but they were talking about the judge saying, because of the money thing, he felt zimmerman was no longer credible (I think that's the word they use), and apparently in a Stand your ground case it plays a big role.
They referred to an older case where a lady did something after she "Stood her crowd" which caused her to lose her credibility and ultimately the case against her. Was busy so I only caught the broad strokes. |
there was also something about him speaking to code with his wife about what to do with the money, who knows. very very odd twist to story.
Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond Friday after learning that Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, may have misled him about their assets when he set bond. Prosecutors demonstrated that Zimmerman had at least $135,000 that he did not disclose in a special PayPal account he had set up to pay for his defense. Zimmerman and his wife testified at a bond hearing that they had little money. During the hearing, Zimmerman also apologized to Martin's parents. The judge set bail at $150,000 -- days later, Zimmerman was released after putting forth 10 percent of the total bail amount. Seminole County Sheriff Donald Eslinger and George Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara, spoke at a news conference after the former neighborhood watch volunteer surrendered to police. But prosecutors listened to recorded jailhouse phone calls and said the Zimmermans talked about the money "in code to hide what they were doing." By concealing the defense contributions, Zimmerman benefited from a lower bond than he might have been granted had he and his family told the truth about how much money they really had, Lester said. O'Mara said in a posting on the defense team's website that he would seek a new bond hearing, at which he would argue that "the vast majority" of the donated money was in an independently managed trust and that neither "Mr. Zimmerman or his attorneys have direct access to the money." Wearing a casual, striped button-up shirt Sunday, O’Mara said that Zimmerman is concerned about his and his wife’s safety because of the “enormous anger and frustration and hatred that has spurred from this case.” |
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highsc...135200288.html
National news baby! Where is Spike Lee and Al Sharpton when you actually need them!?! |
Originally Posted by chpmnsws6
(Post 908667)
Iona basketball recruit killed in shooting outside his Chicago house trying to break up a fight | Prep Rally - Yahoo! Sports
National news baby! Where is Spike Lee and Al Sharpton when you actually need them!?! |
Originally Posted by elesjuan
(Post 908671)
Because racecard?
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 908683)
Exactly. They cannot capitalize off of black on black crime. That would just be bad PR. I do especially love the part of the article where his cousin refers to him as "our meal ticket".
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reparations.
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Disgusting behavior.
Arm clerks with birdshot? Built-in nets that drop from the ceiling and detain all shitheads? I don't know what the solution is (other than stop-their-parents-from-raising-shitheads). |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 909588)
reparations.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 909595)
I don't know what the solution is (other than stop-their-parents-from-raising-shitheads).
ignore the 5 year old girl narrating. words for you: The key to freedom is to be able to have the ability to defend yourself &, if you dont have the tools to do that, then youre going to be at the mercy of whomever wants to put you away. Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept. The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols. This is in a very large part due to Switzerland's unique system of national defence, developed over the centuries. Instead of a standing, full-time army, the country requires every man to undergo some form of military training for a few days or weeks a year throughout most of their lives. Between the ages of 21 and 32 men serve as frontline troops. They are given an M-57 assault rifle and 24 rounds of ammunition which they are required to keep at home. Once discharged, men serve in the Swiss equivalent of the US National Guard, but still have to train occasionally and are given bolt rifles. Women do not have to own firearms, but are encouraged to. Update 28th December 2010: Out of nearly 3 million views of this video there are 4358 thumbs up to 427 thumbs down. So, you could say, if any of us lived in any sort of real democracy in this world that would mean that only one in every ten people would like to keep gun control laws. Guess this means that we're not and that the tyrants still have all the real power. |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 909595)
Disgusting behavior.
Arm clerks with birdshot? Built-in nets that drop from the ceiling and detain all shitheads? I don't know what the solution is (other than stop-their-parents-from-raising-shitheads). |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 909588)
reparations.
No 40 acres and a mule = free jeans!!! |
whatever happened to free hugs?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 909598)
words for you:
Likewise, with only 6 million people, Switzerland's population is a couple of million shy of the 5 boroughs of New York City. I would be very curious to know more about poverty levels there, but you should know that Switzerland has universal health care and an insurance mandate. :) That said, I think having every male adult serve some time in the national armed forces and teaching familiarity with - and respect for - firearms early likely has a very positive effect.
Originally Posted by Braineack's post
Out of nearly 3 million views of this video there are 4358 thumbs up to 427 thumbs down. So, you could say, if any of us lived in any sort of real democracy in this world that would mean that only one in every ten people would like to keep gun control laws. Guess this means that we're not and that the tyrants still have all the real power.
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gotta love non-scientific polling ;)
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 909643)
gotta love non-scientific polling ;)
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 909629)
I think Switzerland is an interesting case study, but it's always hard to draw direct parallels because you have so much divergence in history. For example, there is almost no racial division in Switzerland (that I know of) compared to the USA and the culture is much more homogenous.
Likewise, with only 6 million people, Switzerland's population is a couple of million shy of the 5 boroughs of New York City. I would be very curious to know more about poverty levels there, but you should know that Switzerland has universal health care and an insurance mandate. :) |
problem is, its hard to emigrate there. they dont want you.
although, I just wish all the haters would just migrate to canada. |
I heard stuff about the George and Trayvon on the news again today.
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I heard on the news this morning that due to the conflicting expert testimony the judge threw out the 911 recording that catches someone screaming for help in the background. It could not be determined who was screaming so it was not admitted. I know the trial is starting and the Jury has been sequestered.
I am pretty sure he will be acquitted, I just don't see an air tight case on this one as there is no solid eye witness testimony and only Zimmerman can give his account of events while Trayvon cannot. |
they should throw the whole thing out based on rule 11 (frivolous arguments, or a lack of factual investigation), but this isnt federal...
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lol, the opening statement given was that Zimmerman shot Martin because, "he wanted to," and that, "the evidence will show that this is a sad case."
Last time I checked zimmerman was on trial for second-degree murder, and they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman unlawfully killed another human being, NOT that this is a sad case. also, by FL law, this should have been a third-degree murder charge at best (since the defense is going to say Zimmerman stalked Martin). And the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any: (o) Aggravated stalking, is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree. Second-degree is defined as: The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree Which is not what the DA is going to argue, if this was the case, Zimmerman would have got out of his truck and just started shooting people at random. But he allegedly targeted and stalked zimmerman, which the DA WILL argue. |
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