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Wow, Really?
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman has been arrested and faces a charge of second-degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press Wednesday. The official with knowledge of the case says that the charge against George Zimmerman will be announced at a news conference by special prosecutor Angela Corey at 6 p.m. Wednesday. The official says the 28-year-old Sanford man is in custody in Florida but wouldn’t say where. A second-degree murder charge in Florida carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. It is typically charged when there is a fight or other confrontation that results in death and where there is no premeditated plan to kill someone. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to disclose the information. Zimmerman’s arrest was delayed partly because of Florida’s “stand your ground” law, which gives people wide leeway to use deadly force without having to retreat in the face of danger. The lack of an arrest had sparked outrage and rallies for justice in the Orlando suburb and across the country. Zimmerman’s shooting of the 17-year-old black teenager on Feb. 26 brought demands from black leaders for his arrest and set off a furious nationwide debate over race and self-defense that reached all the way to the White House. Zimmerman, whose father is white and whose mother is Hispanic, said the teenager attacked him. Martin’s family argued Zimmerman was the aggressor. On Tuesday, Zimmerman’s lawyers announced they were withdrawing from the case because they hadn’t heard from him since Sunday and didn’t know where he was. They portrayed his mental state as fragile. “He is largely alone. You might even say he is emotionally crippled by virtue of the pressure of this case,” said one of the lawyers, Hal Uhrig. The case has drawn the interest of the highest levels of the Obama administration, with the Justice Department’s civil rights division opening its own investigation. Tensions have risen in recent days in Sanford. Someone shot up an unoccupied police car Tuesday as it sat outside the neighborhood where Martin was killed. And a demonstration by college students closed the town’s police station Monday. Six weeks ago, Martin was returning to the home of his father’s fiancee from a convenience store when Zimmerman started following him. Zimmerman told police dispatchers he looked suspicious. At some point, the two got into a fight and Zimmerman used his gun. Zimmerman told police Martin attacked him after he had given up chasing the teenager and was returning to his truck. He told detectives that Martin knocked him to the ground and began slamming his head on the sidewalk. Zimmerman’s father said that Martin threatened to kill his son and that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose. A video taken about 40 minutes after the shooting as Zimmerman arrived at the Sanford police station showed him walking unassisted without difficulty. There were no plainly visible bandages or blood on his clothing, but Zimmerman may have had a small wound on the back of his head. The shooting ignited resentment toward the police department, and Police Chief Bill Lee temporarily stepped down to let passions cool. Civil rights groups and others have held rallies around the country, saying the shooting was unjustified. Many of the protesters wore the same type of hooded sweat shirt that Martin had on that day, suggesting his appearance and race had something to do with his killing. President Barack Obama injected himself into the debate, urging Americans to “do some soul-searching.” ”If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said March 23. The local prosecutor disqualified himself from the case, and Gov. Rick Scott appointed Corey, the prosecutor for Jacksonville, to take it over. ___ Farrington reported from Tallahassee, Fla. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/11/of...#ixzz1rlvMb96V |
”If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said March 23 |
because he's white black?
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I'm quite sure he'll get a fair trial.
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Total. Cause all the evidence points to 2nd degree murder.
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Originally Posted by elesjuan
(Post 862884)
I'm quite sure he'll get a fair trial.
The local outrage and the fact that is was a race issue is the only reason. If it was white/white or black/black, it would have been a justified killing. That's why I don't carry a gun. You kill someone even in self defense and your STILL fucked. Keep it minimal and just beat the guy with your fists, leaving him unconscious. Call police. Profit. |
Good, now they can prove he's innocent. Black people everywhere will have a week of hating white people because most (people in general not just blacks) are to dumb to even look at a new story to see Zimmerman is not white, a new tyler perry movie will come out and life will go on till the next stupid media fair.
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Mike Tyson thinks that George Zimmerman deserves violent retribution for the shooting of Trayvon Martin. In an interview with Yahoo News about his upcoming one-man show in Las Vegas, the former heavyweight champion sounded off on the polarizing case: "My personal feeling is that, as a young kid that was beat on by a bully, that was pretty much singled out—the guy [Zimmerman] stalked him, didn't follow instructions from a superior officer, when they said, 'Stop following the kid.' That tells you everything right there. But my all-around perspective, I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. But it's just so widespread and overt what happened. Even though this is the best country in the world, certain laws in this country are a disgrace to a nation of savages. It's a majority versus a minority. That's the way God planned it. He didn't want to do something about it, He wanted us to do something about it. And if we don't, it's gonna stay this way. We have to continue tweeting, we have to continue marching, we have to continue fighting for Trayvon Martin. If that's not the case, he was killed in vain, and we're just waiting for it to happen to our children. He'll have gotten away with impunity. It's a disgrace that man hasn't been dragged out of his house and tied to a car and taken away. That's the only kind of retribution that people like that understand. It's a disgrace that man hasn't been shot yet. Forget about him being arrested--the fact that he hasn't been shot yet is a disgrace. That's how I feel personally about it." In 1992, Tyson was convicted of raping Desiree Washington, a beauty pageant contestant, and served three years in prison. |
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Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 862920)
In for all-black jury. |
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...eapon-4-4-2012
CLIFFS: -white guy gets in argument with black guy at taco bell -white guy is mentally disabled, mental capacity of a 12 year old - black guy claims the white guy swung at him with a pipe - black guy shoots and kills him - white guy was only holding a dog leash (with a dog attached to it) - no charges. stand your ground law cited |
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this lady doesn't understand her job:
wtf. she had someone charged because she recieved positive mail/messages? he charged someone because she HOPES to find out the truth in court? she already believes he's guilty, it is apparent when she wished the martin family prayers and her team good luck. she ignores that fact he is protected under FL state law from being prosecuted. the martin family are the constitutional victims?! This lady is bonkers and is a joke and a sham and is fat and ugly and a slut -----. i laughed at loud when she said she had ethics. also, in case you werent aware: zimmerman, the racist child molesting serial killer has been arrested. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1334235611 |
She definitely has "old french ----- red" lipstick.
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This reminds me constantly why after I retire, I'm moving out to the middle of nowhere.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 862945)
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...eapon-4-4-2012
CLIFFS: -white guy gets in argument with black guy at taco bell -white guy is mentally disabled, mental capacity of a 12 year old - black guy claims the white guy swung at him with a pipe - black guy shoots and kills him - white guy was only holding a dog leash (with a dog attached to it) - no charges. stand your ground law cited |
A) Can we go ahead and fix the spelling of "Trayvon" in the title of the thread?
B) Wow... 2nd degree murder? Either she is swinging for the fences or trying to throw the fight (i.e. going for a charge she knows won't stick but makes her look tough). It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out. C) Grimm, huh? It's on our list, but on the bubble. |
I just don't understand why she had to put on that god awful lipstick. She must really look like ---- under that mime make-up.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 863162)
A) Can we go ahead and fix the spelling of "Trayvon" in the title of the thread?
B) Wow... 2nd degree murder? Either she is swinging for the fences or trying to throw the fight (i.e. going for a charge she knows won't stick but makes her look tough). It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out. C) Grimm, huh? It's on our list, but on the bubble. According to google, second-degree murder is: "an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable 'heat of passion' or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life." I find it hard to believe a decent defense attorney can't convince a jury that either a) there was reasonable 'heat of passion' or b) the Zimmerman has an obvious lack of concern for human life. OTOH, "and is fat and ugly and a slut -----" really does not matter when you are considering the professional conduct of a public employee. Just sayin. |
Originally Posted by crimson_yachiru
(Post 863176)
OTOH, "and is fat and ugly and a slut -----" really does not matter when you are considering the professional conduct of a public employee. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by crimson_yachiru
(Post 863176)
OTOH, "and is fat and ugly and a slut -----" really does not matter when you are considering the professional conduct of a public employee. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 863179)
yet, people wearing saggy jeans to court get three days in jail...
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 863162)
B) Wow... 2nd degree murder? Either she is swinging for the fences or trying to throw the fight (i.e. going for a charge she knows won't stick but makes her look tough). It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I didn't watch the video much, just skipped through about 30 seconds of the beast speaking.
At a quick glance, it looks like one of Chris Farley's characters. lol |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 863182)
Lots of speculation on this point...the best theory I've heard is that she's intentionally over-reaching a bit on the charges with the hope that Zimmerman will plead down to a manslaughter charge.
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You guys see that movie where the white guy runs outside the house and beats a hispanic thief/gang member to death in his front lawn? He ends up going to prison, but eventually gets out years later due to the prison making the inmates fight?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 863179)
yet, people wearing saggy jeans to court get three days in jail...
I think y'all are overreacting. The fact that there is a trial either points to some evidence that the media hasn't acquired (and distorted), or the pragmatic peeps in government don't want a race riot. I have a ton of family in Seminole County, I REALLY don't want a race riot there. If one dude who has dubious claims to innocence has to go through a trial; I can accept his suffering as fair payment for a lack of millions of dollars of damages.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 863185)
finally, "justice" will be served!
Are you pissed because public outrage caused this guy to be arrested? Public outrage has led to good things too, you know. |
Originally Posted by crimson_yachiru
(Post 863194)
The fact that there is a trial either points to some evidence that the media hasn't acquired (and distorted), or the pragmatic peeps in government don't want a race riot.
even suggesting, that by charging him it might be an effort to prevent a "race riot" causes me to ask you: And you don't think that that is an affront to your freedoms? If one dude who has dubious claims to innocence has to go through a trial; I can accept his suffering as fair payment for a lack of millions of dollars of damages. And how else do you suppose everyone can agree that justice has been served? Should we let the court of public opinion decide? They already have. On distorted evidence that would be thrown out in a real court. If Zimmerman truly believes in his innocence, he won't plead out. A jury of carefully selected peers will decide based on legally admissible evidence if he is guilty. The Prosecuter now has to prove that Zimmerman intentionally went after Martin instead of shooting him in self-defense. There's zero evidence, to the public, that would suggest was even close to the truth. The courts are not to be used for fishing expiditions or show trials. And ya'll know that if it starts looking bad, the prosecutor will drop the charges. do you forget one of the most value things about being an american citizen? Innocent until proven guilty. Public outrage has led to good things too, you know. |
Originally Posted by crimson_yachiru
(Post 863194)
I REALLY don't want a race riot there. If one dude who has dubious claims to innocence has to go through a trial; I can accept his suffering as fair payment for a lack of millions of dollars of damages.
why not just pull Zimmerman out and gut him? That would really appease the Black Panthers and their class of individual. I mean, there are really two options here, we can either go after the Black Panther guy who advertised the bounty and violence against whites or we can cut off Zimmerman's head. Considering Eric Holder would never utilize the law as an instrument of oppresion against the oppressed, I guess we have to saw off Zimmerman's head. |
no man, when the court hands over its verdict, either guilty or not, the Panthers will gracefully bow out and drop the issue.
and it wont incite riots in 1992 LA. |
Originally Posted by braineack
(Post 863197)
the fact that it took 45 days and a 2nd special prosecuter to bring "dubious" 2nd degree murder charges against him speaks nothing to the law, nor the job of a prosecuter.
Even suggesting, that by charging him it might be an effort to prevent a "race riot" causes me to ask you: And you don't think that that is an affront to your freedoms? i think that there are a great many things that this country does that affronts my freedoms. dubious? So you were there? You're smarter than the police that arrested him? So it's okay to bend the rules/laws for one person if it might appease a great number? i was not there. Neither was anyone else. If you only had one side of a story, would you automatically assume that it was the truth? I don't think we'll ever hear martin's explanation of events, so what actually happened will probably always remain a mystery. you think he's going to get a fair trial? I watched a freaking news story break come across my tv when he was arrested, like he's the fbi's #1 most wanted criminal. I dont even think i saw that when bin laden was killed. i do think he'll get a fair trial, if he can get a decent laywer. In our legal system, there has to be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. There isn't even a preponderance of the evidence against him. If the jury does convict him, i'm positive that there will be an appeal or the judge will declare a mistrial. the prosecuter now has to prove that zimmerman intentionally went after martin instead of shooting him in self-defense. There's zero evidence, to the public, that would suggest was even close to the truth. The courts are not to be used for fishing expiditions or show trials. "to the public" what a joke. She has all the evidence. She shouldn't be charging anyone with anything unless she can prove that what she's charging them with is actually what can have evidence they can prove it with. are you saying that she doesn't have evidence to charge him? do you forget one of the most value things about being an american citizen? Innocent until proven guilty. Ah! There's the strawman!
Originally Posted by braineack
(Post 863214)
no man, when the court hands over its verdict, either guilty or not, the Panthers will gracefully bow out and drop the issue.
and it wont incite riots in 1992 LA. |
Originally Posted by crimson_yachiru
(Post 863246)
I forgot about that. In that case, us Central Floridians are kinda screwed.
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he looks exactly like the other white guy in uniform next to him
http://global.fncstatic.com/static/m...rman_court.jpg |
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My completely amateur attempt at explaining a murder defense.
There are three ways to defend yourself against a murder charge: IDDI - "I didn't do it" TOGDI - "That other guy did it" And The Affirmative defense - "I did it, I was right to do it" In the first two examples, the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did it. I don't believe you can argue that you were right to do it, only that you didn't do it. (the state will have an easy time proving that he did it) In the affirmative defense, the burden of proof shifts to the defendant to prove that a reasonable person, knowing what the person did at the time of the shooting would have done the same thing. If you would like, I can reference my notes from MAG-40 "Massad Ayoob Group, Armed Citizens Rules of engagement." It is a 40 hour course on the subject. Based on what I know (which is honestly incomplete) I believe Zimmerman's biggest mistake was leaving his truck. However, based on the information I have heard, it would be a miscarriage of justice if he is found guilty. That said, this doesn't prevent him (or his lawyers) from doing or saying something stupid that puts his life in jeopardy. It all depends on how well he can articulate to the jury what he knew and when he knew it. Also it depends on wither the evidence backs him up and how reliable it is. |
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I could care less about the race issue. But I do have a bias against cops end even more so of wannabe cops carrying guns. Personal experience tells me this type of work attracts psychopaths who are more interested in exerting authority over people than preserving the piece for citizens to peruse life liberty and happiness.
I also have an issue with cops not being easily identified as such. I would likely try to defend myself from some thug looking character trying to chase me down and corner me and I don’t want society set up where I always need to be packing a weapon to do it. If a neighborhood watch guy shoots dead an unarmed teenager with no evidence the teen was breaking any laws He did something wrong. Bob https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1334720659 |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 866093)
I could care less about the race issue. But I do have a bias against cops end even more so of wannabe cops carrying guns. Personal experience tells me this type of work attracts psychopaths who are more interested in exerting authority over people than preserving the piece for citizens to peruse life liberty and happiness.
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 866093)
I also have an issue with cops not being easily identified as such.
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 866093)
I would likely try to defend myself from some thug looking character trying to chase me down and corner me and I don’t want society set up where I always need to be packing a weapon to do it.
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 866093)
If a neighborhood watch guy shoots dead an unarmed teenager with no evidence the teen was breaking any laws He did something wrong.
That does not - so far - appear to be the story supported by the limited evidence we have seen so far. It certainly could be shown in court, though. |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 866093)
If a neighborhood watch guy shoots dead an unarmed teenager with no evidence the teen was breaking any laws He did something wrong.
This is a good read: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zi...rtin-shooting/ |
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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...4&d=1334906486 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...3&d=1334906486 http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/georg...lance-16024475 - The actual surveillance video if you want to see it for yourself. No blood on the Z-man's shirt from a supposedly "broken nose", and even a clear shot of his head doesn't reveal any of the supposed damage from the video shot. OH ----! And unlike the last video/photo, this one doesn't need the stupid "enhancements" to try to speculate what might be! And wait, what appeared to be a gash? OH MY GAWD, it's MALE PATTERN BALDNESS!!!1111oneoneone P.S. If you even try to claim you've had a broken nose with no blood Brainy, I call bullshit. 100% total and complete bullshit. P.P.S. If the Z-man was attacked, Brainy, let's see the blood. On-the-scene photos show all, unless you are claiming he somehow had the opportunity to put on a new set of clothes. I'll grant you the third picture might be able to be taken as a gash if you squint and hope hard enough - but it's a goddamn bloodless gash 'cause there ain't ---- on his clothes bro. |
are you honestly still arguing this ----??
you love to beat a dead horse, even when you're wrong. and youre still linking the low res video. you also are not posting a screen shot of where the officer was examining his head. or when he touches something on his jacket, exmaines his hand and then wipes it off on his pants. you also forgot this happened 30 minutes after the fact, after paramedics treated him. you also forgot that there's a police report that says he was bleeding out his nose and back of head. you also forgot many witnesses claim this as well. you also forgot many witnesses say a guy with a red shirt was the one on the ground being attacked. you also forgot youre a c*nt. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 867363)
you also forgot youre a c*nt.
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Oh man, I'm SO glad that blaen decided to bump this thread...since it just so happens that ABC News just released a new photo of Zimmerman just after the incident.
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 867309)
P.P.S. If the Z-man was attacked, Brainy, let's see the blood.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1334932681 |
P.S. I'm looking forward to hearing how I've been "baited" into posting that pic and that blaen99 was really trying to teach us all an important lesson.
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waiting for "I hate everyone, left and right, but I will always suck the d*ck of every liberal and liberal news outlet in order to advance the demise of america" to respond.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 867380)
Oh man, I'm SO glad that blaen decided to bump this thread...since it just so happens that ABC News just released a new photo of Zimmerman just after the incident.
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dude, ABC is just trolling you.
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Totally a troll site. You can tell that they write their stories and post pictures just to generate web hits.
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i can tell it's a troll story from the breaking news scroll...
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At least Travon got some hits in trying to defend himself from this lunatic vigilante wanabe cop.
Too bad Travon wasn’t packing his own gun so he could have properly defended himself. Let that be a lesson, everybody should carry a gun at all times starting at the age of conception to defend themselves. Bob |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 867431)
At least Travon got some hits in trying to defend himself from this lunatic vigilante wanabe cop.
Too bad Travon wasn’t packing his own gun so he could have properly defended himself. Let that be a lesson, everybody should carry a gun at all times starting at the age of conception to defend themselves. Bob It's really cool you were there and know the whole story. how do you live your life being such a facist c*nt? |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 867431)
At least Travon got some hits in trying to defend himself from this lunatic vigilante wanabe cop.
Too bad Travon wasn’t packing his own gun so he could have properly defended himself. Let that be a lesson, everybody should carry a gun at all times starting at the age of conception to defend themselves. Bob Cops aren't here to protect me, cops are here to take my statement after the incident. |
Its a good thing the mothafuckin po-po didn't release those pictures earlier, it might not have started a race war.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 867440)
Do you really think like this?
Cops aren't here to protect me, cops are here to take my statement after the incident. Bob |
Can all the white people riot now? Wait, we gotta work to pay for everyone else.
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Let that be a lesson, everybody should carry a gun at all times starting at the age of conception to defend themselves. Bob http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/ Remember, an armed society is a polite one. |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 867450)
Shooting an unarmed teen on his way back from a convenience store is protecting me? I think not. As a mostly law abiding citizen I have very little trust in cops even more so of those not easily identifiable as a cop when confronting me.
Bob |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 867456)
Right, because dying of a head injury from an "unarmed" 6'3" teen makes it okay.
Bob |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 867464)
Dying from a scratch on the head? that’s a good one. Like I said Travon needed to be packing to defend himself properly when he stood his ground the way I see it.
Bob |
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