Current proven setups
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Current proven setups
I think it would be a good idea to have a centralized location for everyone's current (or former), real world, proven setups. There is some discussion going on over at another thread about making a sticky with the information about when the stock internals/transmission DO give up.. how about some information about the "safe zone" so noobies can figure out what their realistic goals should be.
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Which turbo, which intercooler (if any), meth/water or not, what boost you're seeing, what transmission you're using, stock internals or built motor, WHP and WTQ if you know them, Spark map if you're feeling generous.. Anything else you feel is pertinent.
Yes, I know, all of this information is probably out there, but let's be honest: it's scattered across 20 different threads that are 30 pages long. That's a lot of pages.
Post up:
Which turbo, which intercooler (if any), meth/water or not, what boost you're seeing, what transmission you're using, stock internals or built motor, WHP and WTQ if you know them, Spark map if you're feeling generous.. Anything else you feel is pertinent.
Yes, I know, all of this information is probably out there, but let's be honest: it's scattered across 20 different threads that are 30 pages long. That's a lot of pages.
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I believe most, if not all, this information has already been posted in the "All your answers here" thread.
https://www.miataturbo.net/useful-sa...ig-post-10821/
As for spool data, there is a thread "I want your spool data" It contains spool vs rpm data along with details of each particular set up.
https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...ol-data-26641/
As for the build motors, there is also a thread for that in engine performance.
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...onation-42072/
As for spark maps, well that's a quick way to have people blow up their motors. There really isn't a "one size fits all". Also, it encourages laziness. Really the best way to go is to get a the base msq from diyautotune and tune each particular vehicle.
Not to rain on your parade is just mostly all there really
EDIT: Added links for the threads.
https://www.miataturbo.net/useful-sa...ig-post-10821/
As for spool data, there is a thread "I want your spool data" It contains spool vs rpm data along with details of each particular set up.
https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...ol-data-26641/
As for the build motors, there is also a thread for that in engine performance.
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...onation-42072/
As for spark maps, well that's a quick way to have people blow up their motors. There really isn't a "one size fits all". Also, it encourages laziness. Really the best way to go is to get a the base msq from diyautotune and tune each particular vehicle.
Not to rain on your parade is just mostly all there really
EDIT: Added links for the threads.
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There are several sparkmaps listed in the "much ado about timing" and "settings" threads, but neither of them include much information about what kind of gas those people are running, do they have forged internals, are they running meth/water/FMIC etc.
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And the idea is that the spark maps included ALONG WITH all the information about their current setup would let you know whether or not it's a good idea to even think about using it.
There are several sparkmaps listed in the "much ado about timing" and "settings" threads, but neither of them include much information about what kind of gas those people are running, do they have forged internals, are they running meth/water/FMIC etc.
There are several sparkmaps listed in the "much ado about timing" and "settings" threads, but neither of them include much information about what kind of gas those people are running, do they have forged internals, are they running meth/water/FMIC etc.
I think understanding the concept is better than having a "to do" list. For example reading a compressor map and carrying a few calculations to see what ballpark figures a particular set up would be on. If I've cared to know these things when I first started I wouldn't done what I did. BUT I just wanted to go fast right away
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To clarify, I've read all the scattered posts. I've read the path to power. I know stock internals go boom around 250wtq and that the 5 speed is right around the same (depending on mechanical empathy). I know where the weak links lie, and when the injectors get maxed out and all of that.
I just think it would be a good idea to centralize a summary of builds, instead of having to page through 50 different build threads, outdated stickies, signatures, and ramblings.
I also think it would be good to have a centralized location of REAL WORLD numbers that people can relate to--turbo size, PSI, what went boom and what didn't. As you all know, very few people on here spend the time on a dyno to make sure they're under 250wtq before going forged rods and 6speed.
If I'm the only one that thinks it would be a good idea, feel free to give me negative props and lock the thread, and I'll continue to slog through 50 pages of outdated build threads with broken pictures and links.
I just think it would be a good idea to centralize a summary of builds, instead of having to page through 50 different build threads, outdated stickies, signatures, and ramblings.
I also think it would be good to have a centralized location of REAL WORLD numbers that people can relate to--turbo size, PSI, what went boom and what didn't. As you all know, very few people on here spend the time on a dyno to make sure they're under 250wtq before going forged rods and 6speed.
If I'm the only one that thinks it would be a good idea, feel free to give me negative props and lock the thread, and I'll continue to slog through 50 pages of outdated build threads with broken pictures and links.
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I just think it would be a good idea to centralize a summary of builds, instead of having to page through 50 different build threads, outdated stickies, signatures, and ramblings.
I also think it would be good to have a centralized location of REAL WORLD numbers that people can relate to--turbo size, PSI, what went boom and what didn't. As you all know, very few people on here spend the time on a dyno to make sure they're under 250wtq before going forged rods and 6speed.
I also think it would be good to have a centralized location of REAL WORLD numbers that people can relate to--turbo size, PSI, what went boom and what didn't. As you all know, very few people on here spend the time on a dyno to make sure they're under 250wtq before going forged rods and 6speed.
Great, then do it. If it's worthy of a sticky, I'm sure one of the mods will sticky it.
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If you can get everybody to participate, or start compiling information from the build threads yourself, this could be really useful.
I'll start you off-
1.6l with approx 160,000 miles at time of install. 180k+ and climbing.
Mitsu TD05 turbo, 8psi
Wideband 02
2002 purple top Miata injectors 265cc
Generic FMIC
ACT ZM2-HDSS clutch
Upgraded radiator, don't recall the brand
MSPNP9093, professional tune. No dyno numbers, but the car moves very well.
I'll start you off-
1.6l with approx 160,000 miles at time of install. 180k+ and climbing.
Mitsu TD05 turbo, 8psi
Wideband 02
2002 purple top Miata injectors 265cc
Generic FMIC
ACT ZM2-HDSS clutch
Upgraded radiator, don't recall the brand
MSPNP9093, professional tune. No dyno numbers, but the car moves very well.
#11
Stock 1.8L with 160,000 miles
Rebuilt Garrett t25 turbo from an sr20 motor
Flyin Miata cast manifold
Flyin Miata FMII FMIC with piping
Flylin Miata discharge pipe
Custom catless downpipe
Custom intake
Hallman Pro manual boost controller (10-11 psi)
RX-7 460cc red top injectors
Subaru STi fuel pump
DIY MSPNP2 with a protune
Stage 2 Comp clutch
Various oil and coolant lines
Innovative wideband
Stock radiator
Stock 5 speed
202 whp / 192 tq
Rebuilt Garrett t25 turbo from an sr20 motor
Flyin Miata cast manifold
Flyin Miata FMII FMIC with piping
Flylin Miata discharge pipe
Custom catless downpipe
Custom intake
Hallman Pro manual boost controller (10-11 psi)
RX-7 460cc red top injectors
Subaru STi fuel pump
DIY MSPNP2 with a protune
Stage 2 Comp clutch
Various oil and coolant lines
Innovative wideband
Stock radiator
Stock 5 speed
202 whp / 192 tq
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Not sure how "current" these are, but here's a few from the dyno thread:
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...ake-ms2-77620/
-'97 NA8 with good compression (105k miles)
-CA 91 gas
-RB header
-FM exhaust with high flow cat
-DIY intake/cone filter
-Exhintake cam swap
-PNP MS2
-Coolant Reroute
-A/C & PS delete
-Tuned by Church Automotive Testing
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...10lbish-78577/
-1.8L
-VVT
-Precision 4828
-roughly 10psi
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...psi-e85-72899/
-NB8A stock
-T25
-Log mani
-3 "inch turbo back
-Intercooler
-850 cc injectors
-Dw200
-Haltech ps1000 ecu
-E85
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...-14-psi-75326/
-FM Manifold/DP (Old style kit)
-GT2560
-3 in exhaust after cat
-2.5 DP/ Testpipe
-diypnp
-RC440
-COPs
-ebay intercooler (22 x 7 x 2.5 core)
-2.25 diy intercooler piping
-greddy knock off bov
-vtps
-EBC
-AEM wideband
-14PSI
234 ft-lbs / 224 WHP @ 14PSI
187 ft-lbs / 190 WHP @ 8PSI
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...180-whp-69188/
-1.8L NB engine
-450cc injectors
-m45
-15% pulley
-audi a6 intercooler
180 WHP / 230NM (170 ft-lbs)
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...ake-ms2-77620/
-'97 NA8 with good compression (105k miles)
-CA 91 gas
-RB header
-FM exhaust with high flow cat
-DIY intake/cone filter
-Exhintake cam swap
-PNP MS2
-Coolant Reroute
-A/C & PS delete
-Tuned by Church Automotive Testing
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...10lbish-78577/
-1.8L
-VVT
-Precision 4828
-roughly 10psi
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...psi-e85-72899/
-NB8A stock
-T25
-Log mani
-3 "inch turbo back
-Intercooler
-850 cc injectors
-Dw200
-Haltech ps1000 ecu
-E85
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...-14-psi-75326/
-FM Manifold/DP (Old style kit)
-GT2560
-3 in exhaust after cat
-2.5 DP/ Testpipe
-diypnp
-RC440
-COPs
-ebay intercooler (22 x 7 x 2.5 core)
-2.25 diy intercooler piping
-greddy knock off bov
-vtps
-EBC
-AEM wideband
-14PSI
234 ft-lbs / 224 WHP @ 14PSI
187 ft-lbs / 190 WHP @ 8PSI
---
https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...180-whp-69188/
-1.8L NB engine
-450cc injectors
-m45
-15% pulley
-audi a6 intercooler
180 WHP / 230NM (170 ft-lbs)
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Might as well post my stupidcharged experiences. All three charts come from Church tuning. All the details here:
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ical-bs-76372/
Iteration 1: 190 hp / 172 ft-lbs
-Stock 1.8 from a 96
-Ca 91 Pump
-MS1
-M45 JRSC with 150mm overlay at 8 psi
-DDM Works Intake
-Old RB Exhaust
-Diy Intercooler
-Toyota Cops
Iteration 2: 241 hp / 224ft-lbs
This iteration of the motor had a few issues. Timing not synced right and worn valve springs that began to float above 6K.
-99 Head with +1mm Oversized valves
-BP5A Cam
-Skunk2 Honda Intake Manifold
-9:1 Bottom end with CP Pistons and H Beams
-CA 91
-MS2
-ID1000 Injectors
-Homebrew M62 at 13 psi
-Old RB Exhaust
-Stock Header with porting inside.
-Diy Intercooler
-Toyota Cops
Iteration 3: 288hp / 263ft-lbs
This iteration was still not perfect. Had too small of an exhaust (2.25") I didnt realize the older RB was smaller. Ended up ditching the setup and going NA shortly after so I will never know if it could have broken 300.
-99 Head with +1mm Oversized valves
-BP5A Cam with adjustable gears
-Skunk2 Honda Intake Manifold
-9:1 Bottom end with CP Pistons and H Beams
-E85
-MS2
-ID1000 Injectors
-Homebrew M62 at 14psi
-Old RB Exhaust
-Jackson Racing Header
-Diy V Mount Intercooler
-Toyota Cops
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ical-bs-76372/
Iteration 1: 190 hp / 172 ft-lbs
-Stock 1.8 from a 96
-Ca 91 Pump
-MS1
-M45 JRSC with 150mm overlay at 8 psi
-DDM Works Intake
-Old RB Exhaust
-Diy Intercooler
-Toyota Cops
Iteration 2: 241 hp / 224ft-lbs
This iteration of the motor had a few issues. Timing not synced right and worn valve springs that began to float above 6K.
-99 Head with +1mm Oversized valves
-BP5A Cam
-Skunk2 Honda Intake Manifold
-9:1 Bottom end with CP Pistons and H Beams
-CA 91
-MS2
-ID1000 Injectors
-Homebrew M62 at 13 psi
-Old RB Exhaust
-Stock Header with porting inside.
-Diy Intercooler
-Toyota Cops
Iteration 3: 288hp / 263ft-lbs
This iteration was still not perfect. Had too small of an exhaust (2.25") I didnt realize the older RB was smaller. Ended up ditching the setup and going NA shortly after so I will never know if it could have broken 300.
-99 Head with +1mm Oversized valves
-BP5A Cam with adjustable gears
-Skunk2 Honda Intake Manifold
-9:1 Bottom end with CP Pistons and H Beams
-E85
-MS2
-ID1000 Injectors
-Homebrew M62 at 14psi
-Old RB Exhaust
-Jackson Racing Header
-Diy V Mount Intercooler
-Toyota Cops
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I'm just going to re-post this here.
To clarify, I've read all the scattered posts. I've read the path to power. I know stock internals go boom around 250wtq and that the 5 speed is right around the same (depending on mechanical empathy). I know where the weak links lie, and when the injectors get maxed out and all of that.
I just think it would be a good idea to centralize a summary of builds, instead of having to page through 50 different build threads, outdated stickies, signatures, and ramblings...
I just think it would be a good idea to centralize a summary of builds, instead of having to page through 50 different build threads, outdated stickies, signatures, and ramblings...
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Which turbo: GT2554r (Begi S1 kit)
which intercooler: BeGi Type1
what boost: 10psi at time of dyno. 12psi now, 16psi incoming.
what transmission: 5spd
stock internals or built motor: AMS built motor. 9.0:1 JE pistons, Eagle rods, ARP e'er'thang, BP4W head ported and polished, VICS manifold (VICS tied open)
10psi dyno.
which intercooler: BeGi Type1
what boost: 10psi at time of dyno. 12psi now, 16psi incoming.
what transmission: 5spd
stock internals or built motor: AMS built motor. 9.0:1 JE pistons, Eagle rods, ARP e'er'thang, BP4W head ported and polished, VICS manifold (VICS tied open)
10psi dyno.
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Which turbo: GT2554r (Begi S1 kit)
which intercooler: BeGi Type1
what boost: 10psi at time of dyno. 12psi now, 16psi incoming.
what transmission: 5spd
stock internals or built motor: AMS built motor. 9.0:1 JE pistons, Eagle rods, ARP e'er'thang, BP4W head ported and polished, VICS manifold (VICS tied open)
which intercooler: BeGi Type1
what boost: 10psi at time of dyno. 12psi now, 16psi incoming.
what transmission: 5spd
stock internals or built motor: AMS built motor. 9.0:1 JE pistons, Eagle rods, ARP e'er'thang, BP4W head ported and polished, VICS manifold (VICS tied open)