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Old 09-28-2014, 11:58 PM   #61
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Aren't there factory front sump LSx cars? The j-series are definitely "front" sump from the factory, but they're obviously all in FWD cars.

I really wish they had implemented a starter solution like Claire uses with her KL swaps. This would have made rear sump possible and probably allowed them to keep the stock steering rack location because per the build thread on CR, the steering rack sits "about half an inch".
GTO is a front sump car. I had to use a gto pan to stuff a lsx into a s14 I built years ago.
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5-6k to make 260hp? Wouldnt you rather spend 3k to make 250 and weigh less and be able to be up and running in a weekend?
No way in he'll to piece together a comparable kit, (part to part) for 3k. clutch, turbo, and decent manifold are 3k, for quality pieces. I say that, because what the **** is the point of building an unreliable Chinese turbo system, when comparing to Oem Honda durability?

And I highly doubt the total kit weight to be less than the 75 or so pounds extra of the v6, all of which is now behind the front axle. (315 lb wet long block, according to multiple sources)

Not trying to be a dick, but these motors are pretty amazing if you research them.

Lol, someone is literally going through my posts to negative prop me now? ******* pathetic
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"OEM honda reliability" Have you seen the parts for the swap kit? They look like they're coming out of the cheapest chinese sweat shop that the company could find. I'd rather have a china turbo that's probably going to be reliable but just down a bit on spool vs a cheap chinese oil pan that could turn into a pretzel on the first heat cycle.
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I was referring to engine reliability only, lol
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I was referring to engine reliability only, lol
Who cares how reliable the engine is? The swap kit looks like it's made of pot metal.
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To be fair, the parent company (Super Fast Minis) is in the business of making swap kits for Minis. They seem to be doing quite good, and I personally oogled over their AWD mini kit.
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The aftermarket would be hard-pressed to make anything as low quality as OEM Mini parts/build quality.
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Who cares how reliable the engine is? The swap kit looks like it's made of pot metal.
The swap kit looks like it's made out of photoshop.

I think it's an interesting idea with potential, and I'm reserving judgement until I see actual customer photos of an actual shipping kit.

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Old 09-29-2014, 03:27 PM   #69
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GTO is a front sump car. I had to use a gto pan to stuff a lsx into a s14 I built years ago.
I knew it was one of them. The J-series are not known for oil starvation issues, but that is obviously taking information from stock/fwd configurations.
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5-6k to make 260hp? Wouldnt you rather spend 3k to make 250 and weigh less and be able to be up and running in a weekend?
The weighing less is questionable. By the time you bolt all the turbo stuff on id bet the vehicle weight to be close. 300whp is no problem with a j32a2, bolt ons and a tune. People routinely make 280+ with bolt ons and the stock ecu/tune throu the CL slushbox.

Also, we get it. You don't like the kit or the swap at all. And that's all right.
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Who cares how reliable the engine is? The swap kit looks like it's made of pot metal.
I bashed them on other forums for posting pictures of parts that aren't what they're including with the kit or were obviousshitty photoshops.

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To be fair, the parent company (Super Fast Minis) is in the business of making swap kits for Minis. They seem to be doing quite good, and I personally oogled over their AWD mini kit.
They seem to do other things right. This may not be up to snuff just yet, but I'm sure it will be.

In the end, the j-series engines are very reliable, have plenty of motorsports pedigree and seem to be what most always wanted from a Miata.
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J series are garbage. There is nothing performance oriented about that engine. Its just a big engine option for pulling around the monstrous boat the Accord has turned into.

Honda made a good V6s, and its not a J series, its a C series.
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J series are garbage. There is nothing performance oriented about that engine. Its just a big engine option for pulling around the monstrous boat the Accord has turned into.

Honda made a good V6s, and its not a J series, its a C series:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1412015295
Haha. The c-series engines were the pedestrian predecessor to the j-series. Other than the NSX was it ever used in something performance oriented? The Legend is no more a performance vehicle than a CL/TL.

Also, you should check out NSXPrime to see the the swaps people are doing to get rid of the c-series. Just a hint, they like the J-series.
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The c-series engines were the pedestrian predecessor to the j-series. Other than the NSX was it ever used in something performance oriented?
The C series V6s used in the Legend and other cars had very little in common with the NSX engines. Just like the s2000 F20C/F22C has little in common with the F series used in the old Accords.

Also, you should check out NSXPrime to see the the swaps people are doing to get rid of the c-series. Just a hint, they like the J-series.
That is the saddest thing I have ever heard.
Do not reference what honda kids do as evidence for something being smart or useful.

There are so many swaps that make more sense than this. If you want a "big block" swap for a Miata, we already have that **** figured out. Its made by GM and its fantastic.
The J series has no place being swapped into ****, especially not a Miata.
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IMHO, if you want a V6 (and I'm pretty sure I do), the LFX makes a lot more sense. And the kit isn't made out of photoshops.
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I'd take the LFX over this too, but they aren't exactly in the same price range (the motors themselves).
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There are so many swaps that make more sense than this. If you want a "big block" swap for a Miata, we already have that **** figured out. Its made by GM and its fantastic.
The J series has no place being swapped into ****, especially not a Miata.
I don't think I want a LSX. I surely don't want to spend $15k+ to do a swap. So that's off the list for the time being.

What's with your hate for the J-series engines? I can post all kinds of pictures of j-series based engines like your c30/c32 above to show it off.

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IMHO, if you want a V6 (and I'm pretty sure I do), the LFX makes a lot more sense. And the kit isn't made out of photoshops.
Ho does the LFX make anymore sense engine wise alone? If you follow the line of thought of the other users in this thread, you shouldn't like it because it's not a performance engine, right? SUVs, family cars, etc...

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I'd take the LFX over this too, but they aren't exactly in the same price range (the motors themselves).
LFX and the transmission probably cost close to what this swap could cost. I like the LFX quite a bit, honestly. I think it's great for the chassis.
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Here are some pictures of the parts that started arriving for one of the first installs:









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Ho does the LFX make anymore sense engine wise alone?

LFX and the transmission probably cost close to what this swap could cost. I like the LFX quite a bit, honestly. I think it's great for the chassis.
Camaro LFX is ~330hp/280tq, stock. Stock reliability/durability/tune, etc. To me, that's perfect for a weekend/track toy Miata. No hassles with 'bolt-ons' or tunes. It revs to 7k, and from the clips I've watched on YT, sounds good with the right exhaust.

Yes, it will likely cost more than the J swap, but how much would it cost to get the J to the same power output? Also V8R's swap stuff is proven in Miatas at higher power levels. And, how will the Miata trans hold up to a 300hp V6?

It'll be nice when we get some more detail on both of these swaps and see some real world results. Until then, it's all bench racing...
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Camaro LFX is ~330hp/280tq, stock. Stock reliability/durability/tune, etc. To me, that's perfect for a weekend/track toy Miata. No hassles with 'bolt-ons' or tunes. It revs to 7k, and from the clips I've watched on YT, sounds good with the right exhaust.
I always wonder What's done for the direct injection setup? Do they have a extremely high pressure pump at the "fuel rails" like other cars? Have they got stock gauges to work with them LFX yet? I think the power is perfect with them.

Have you Read about the differences between the LFX adn LTT? The integrated exhaust manifolds should make a swap a lot easier/neater. It also cuts one cost completely off the build sheet (headers). GM High Feature engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yes, it will likely cost more than the J swap, but how much would it cost to get the J to the same power output? Also V8R's swap stuff is proven in Miatas at higher power levels. And, how will the Miata trans hold up to a 300hp V6?
The j32a2 can be near or at 300whp with bolt ons. Definitely will reach it with a tune. I'm actually leaning towards buying a mount less v8r subframe and doing my own mounts and rear sump oil pan. I have a few junk 5 speeds and just got a lead on a free j-series bottom end. I sold all my KL swap parts before installing the motor (we had another baby and multiple toys disn't make sense) and I'll probably attempt to mimick Claire's starter setup.

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It'll be nice when we get some more detail on both of these swaps and see some real world results. Until then, it's all bench racing...
Definitely.
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I believe the HPFP is at the rails, so for a swap, it's just a matter of supplying sufficient fuel volume to the engine compartment.

IMHO the LFX is definitely preferable over the LLT. The integrated manifolds are nice for swaps, and though they may ultimately limit power, I don't see that as a big concern in a Miata.
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J series are garbage. There is nothing performance oriented about that engine. Its just a big engine option for pulling around the monstrous boat the Accord has turned into.

Honda made a good V6s, and its not a J series, its a C series:
Oh lawd... This sh*t again.

Cheese and Rice...get over yourself and your blind love of some Honda engines and you blind hatred of others.

The plain Jane j35 is the base for many a Motorsports engine... LMP2 twin turbo, DP twin turbo, etc etc. The engines are surprisingly OEM.

You know how many class wins at the 24 Hours of Lemans the C series V6 has? ONE. How many class wins at LeMans does the J-series based engines have? TWO.

GTFO
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