I haven't done it yet, but i will be doing one soon, and a second one at the end of this warm season.
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Originally Posted by julio
(Post 1436322)
Anyone replaced the old spacer/Kia neck type set up with one of these yet? This thing looks really nice and just curious if it would be worth upgrading while I've still got my motor out.
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Looks like, as compared to the spacer / Kia method, there's more room to get a wrench back in there, and perhaps even a tiny bit less depth front to back. Will be curious to hear the report of someone who removes a spacer reroute, replaces it with this, and takes measurements and photos while they're both on the bench.
Looks good, Emilio. |
Got around today to dropping my engine back in today with my new Qmax coolant reroute. Things didn't go as smoothly as the two other times I've taken my motor in and out. The Qmax is definitely bigger than the stock water neck that was on there previous. I tried so many combinations to try and get the engine to slip in but each time the main body of the reroute would hit the fire wall and keep me from swinging the engine in like I've done before. It really was no big deal and after a few minutes of thinking I took out my trusty BFH and did a minor modification to my firewall. It's not the prettiest modification i've ever seen but it will work I'm going for performance not aesthetics. All in all I am very happy, I love the way it looks and feel better knowing my cooling system will work more efficiently now.
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Qmax installed!! I took some pix, but toys and cats managed to stay out of the frame. Sorry about that.
I found myself with four reroutes on hand, so I did a photo comparison of each. It's a huge blog post with, I think, 38 photos. I'll just link to it instead of copying it all here. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3344.jpg Qmax vs the old guard. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3392.jpg 949 gives you everything you need except for a jug of coolant. It's an amazingly complete kit. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3399.jpg The snap ring only lets you install a Superstat. A regular thermostat has too large an outer diameter for that snap ring to clip over it. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3396.jpg On the back of a spare motor. Notice the room for sockets to fit? And it even lets you keep the stock lower stud in place. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3397.jpg Lots of clearance for everything. Lots of room to slide the hose on. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3403.jpg Smooth inner surface. No sharp edges to hinder flow. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3400.jpg Gasket goop applied. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3407.jpg Fully dressed and waiting for installation. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3412.jpg Front blog off plate. Sharka's FM hard lines require me to keep that water neck in place. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3408.jpg In place behind the motor. It was quite easy to get it back there compared to other kits I've used. http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3413.jpg BURP!!! |
Originally Posted by revlimiter
(Post 1438008)
Qmax installed!! I took some pix, but toys and cats managed to stay out of the frame. Sorry about that.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1438011)
Looks good. I am also getting rid of my spacer reroutes to go to the QMax in my car.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1438013)
Did you just quote all those pics?
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Tru dat
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1438013)
Did you just quote all those pics?
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Originally Posted by Paulryan
(Post 1437445)
Got around today to dropping my engine back in today with my new Qmax coolant reroute. Things didn't go as smoothly as the two other times I've taken my motor in and out. The Qmax is definitely bigger than the stock water neck that was on there previous. I tried so many combinations to try and get the engine to slip in but each time the main body of the reroute would hit the fire wall and keep me from swinging the engine in like I've done before. It really was no big deal and after a few minutes of thinking I took out my trusty BFH and did a minor modification to my firewall. It's not the prettiest modification i've ever seen but it will work I'm going for performance not aesthetics. All in all I am very happy, I love the way it looks and feel better knowing my cooling system will work more efficiently now.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...54e66c56c3.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e3c5c41a97.jpg |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1438032)
Is this to be expected? I thought clearances were way better with this. Looks like he had to hammer the firewall a bit to get things to go in smoothly.
Maybe dropping the sway bar would help. It'll avoid any clearance issue when tipping in, and without the radiator in place, you can start lifting the back end of the trans sooner. I'd rather undo 4 bolts than bash my firewall |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1438032)
Is this to be expected? I thought clearances were way better with this. Looks like he had to hammer the firewall a bit to get things to go in smoothly.
We have dropped many engines into the bay with trans connected and M-Tuned adapter on them. Not a big deal, just requires some finesse. Hammering of firewall absolutely not required. |
Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix
(Post 1438033)
:eek3:
Maybe dropping the sway bar would help. It'll avoid any clearance issue when tipping in, and without the radiator in place, you can start lifting the back end of the trans sooner. I'd rather undo 4 bolts than bash my firewall
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1438040)
Unknown how he had his engine and trans configured and what he cleared out of the way. In any case, firewall clearance is reason #1 that Mazda flipped the coolant flow in the first place.
We have dropped many engines into the bay with trans connected and M-Tuned adapter on them. Not a big deal, just requires some finesse. Hammering of firewall absolutely not required. |
I did have one issue when installing mine, but it was minor: the provided cap screw bottomed in the head before it had pulled the reroute tight. I put a washer on it, problem solved. The seat for the bolt on the stud side was too narrow for the flanged bolt to sit down on it, so I got a non-flanged bolt for it.
SO only suggestions I have is to include a non-flanged bolt for the stud, and a washer or shorter bolt for the other hole into the head. That'd make it truly PNP. I also couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do with the drain plug. |
Plug is for the alternate cover. We'll look at the BOM and review the function of the fasteners per your observations. Thanks for the feedback.
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Did someone ask for a clearance comparison pic?
http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten...9/DSC_3346.jpg Stock heater outlet neck: 37mm clearance needed. BEGI / Kia neck: 70mm Hawley / Kia neck: 66mm M Tuned: 69mm 949 Qmax: 72mm So the Qmax needs 2mm more than the popular BEGI spacer/neck. And from my own experience I know there to be about 85-87mm of clearance behind the motor once it's mounted. |
John Wing (Satisaii) is our engineer. He's had to install all the many M-Tuneds over the years. So along with my input, he wanted to make it a lot easier to install. It's cool that a lot of folks have noticed the tool clearance and general ease of installation he fussed over so much. So stuff like the freaky long bolt without enough room to install it never made it past him. So many functional oversights easily overcome by just installing one in a car and giving a damn.
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Thanks Emilio. Overall I was super impressed with the instructions and the fitment of everything. Extremely nice quality. Felt jealous that it was going on my dad's car rather than mine. Will replace my m-tuned with this next time my engine comes out.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1438032)
Is this to be expected? I thought clearances were way better with this. Looks like he had to hammer the firewall a bit to get things to go in smoothly.
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