Notices
General Miata Chat A place to talk about anything Miata

miataturbo.net-like debauchery thread (about the ND or something)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 2, 2016 | 07:39 PM
  #2461  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default

Originally Posted by turbofan
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the ND runs a 17 because of current fashion trends.
Current trends which, in turn, drive the availability of good tires. Tried shopping for good street rubber in a 14" fitment lately? Some of the good stuff isn't even available in 15".

That said, if the suspension and chassis are designed around the assumption of a 17" wheel & tire of a certain weight, then there's obviously no reason why it can't be made to work, and well. The laptimes which we've seen thus far would seem to support this conclusion.

There was a time when Corvettes and Porsche 911s came with 15" wheels. Now they're up to 20-21". And yet I don't think anyone will question that the newer cars are faster and better handling then their predecessors.

Last edited by Joe Perez; May 2, 2016 at 10:12 PM. Reason: Schpelling
Old May 2, 2016 | 10:10 PM
  #2462  
Leafy's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 9,491
Total Cats: 105
From: NH
Default

I wonder if anyone has an ND and NC partially taken apart enough to see if the intake manifolds between the two interchange. They look damn close but the ND looks lighter and with better throttle body placement.
Reply
Leave a poscat -1 Leave a negcat
Old May 2, 2016 | 10:17 PM
  #2463  
emilio700's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,626
Total Cats: 2,618
Default

Originally Posted by Leafy
I wonder if anyone has an ND and NC partially taken apart enough to see if the intake manifolds between the two interchange. They look damn close but the ND looks lighter and with better throttle body placement.
Two entirely different engines. An SBC and SBC have more in common.
__________________


www.facebook.com/SuperMiata

949RACING.COM Home of the 6UL wheel

.33 SNR
Old May 16, 2016 | 09:58 AM
  #2464  
Dunning Kruger Affect's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 923
Total Cats: 67
Default

Three NDs left a Nationals event on the back of various trailers last week due to catastrophic transmission failures. Don't bother trying to look up any info on it, it's just a bunch of armchair engineers talking about how they're never going to buy an ND because _________________________ .
Old May 16, 2016 | 10:11 AM
  #2465  
shuiend's Avatar
mkturbo.com
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 15,235
Total Cats: 1,700
From: Charleston SC
Default

Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
Three NDs left a Nationals event on the back of various trailers last week due to catastrophic transmission failures. Don't bother trying to look up any info on it, it's just a bunch of armchair engineers talking about how they're never going to buy an ND because _________________________ .
Yeah all the talk on m.net about the transmission failures is like reading the tabloids. It is almost as good as watching the different ND ECU tuners fight.

Since I won't be buying a ND till 2018/2019 I am hoping they have the transmission issues fixed by then.
Old May 16, 2016 | 10:17 AM
  #2466  
hornetball's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 6,301
Total Cats: 697
From: Granbury, TX
Default

Seems like the norm. 1994 fixed a bunch of NA issues. 2009 (I think) fixed NC issues. I figure 2018 or 19 to fix ND issues. Can't wait!
Old May 16, 2016 | 10:29 AM
  #2467  
emilio700's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,626
Total Cats: 2,618
Default

Mazda knows about the transmission failures in competition. They already have both a regular production fix and a separate aftermarket upgrade in the works. I do not know what the timeline for implementation on either is though. Look for a TSB and announcement from Mazdaspeed in the coming months.
__________________


www.facebook.com/SuperMiata

949RACING.COM Home of the 6UL wheel

.33 SNR
Old May 16, 2016 | 10:30 AM
  #2468  
shuiend's Avatar
mkturbo.com
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 15,235
Total Cats: 1,700
From: Charleston SC
Default

I also want a good blue color for my next miata. So I will be waiting till they come out with that. The current color choices for the ND to me are so unappealing.
Old May 16, 2016 | 11:02 AM
  #2469  
Leafy's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 9,491
Total Cats: 105
From: NH
Default

Originally Posted by emilio700
Mazda knows about the transmission failures in competition. They already have both a regular production fix and a separate aftermarket upgrade in the works. I do not know what the timeline for implementation on either is though. Look for a TSB and announcement from Mazdaspeed in the coming months.
Thats what I heard as well. These tranny failures have been weird too. Its not like the 5 speeds I blew up. Jake ran 2 auto-xs at the end of last year with his and his 2nd gear let go when he was pulling the car out of winter storage to drive on the nice day we had in February, his broke a 2nd time while driving away from the site at wilmington. Danny's broke like pulling out of his driveway after they trailer the car home from wilmington. And another one broke on site. Karwens car is basically the only one running nationally that hasnt broken and he's been babying it since he bought it.
Old May 16, 2016 | 11:10 AM
  #2470  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by hornetball
1994 fixed a bunch of NA issues.!
the best fix was the 1.6L failure.
Old May 16, 2016 | 11:22 AM
  #2471  
Dunning Kruger Affect's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 923
Total Cats: 67
Default

All of the failures seem to be 2nd (or in the case of the a MX-5 Cup Car, 3rd) under "brisk" acceleration. It's likely either a design issue or a metallurgy/processing issue, and I'm hesitant to put water in the design bucket because it implies that Mazda considered the 2.0L at the last possible minute and barely got the tooling ready on the line.

I'm about to roll over 9k (heh) and I haven't bothered with the handful of TSBs (PPF, window rubbers, soft top jitters, seatbelt guides, etc). I'm not particularly worried since Mazda does know that it's an issue.
Old May 16, 2016 | 12:09 PM
  #2472  
Ziggo's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 172
Total Cats: 20
From: Melissa, TX
Default

In my experience, you pour over the design and testing of a part, work with a supplier on the production of it and validating it's performance, then in production, purchasing comes in and sends out for bids and the supplier that worked with you in design, who knows exactly what it will take to make the part, comes in with a bid that is above some other company who didn't really read through the entire print, purchasing sees it as a win because they saved $3 a part and all give each other handjobs over how awesome they are, and I just sit back and wait for the inevitable disaster.
Old May 16, 2016 | 12:55 PM
  #2473  
ThePass's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

^ Too often so true.

Metallurgical issue. Normal teething issues for a first-year production IMO.
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old May 16, 2016 | 01:26 PM
  #2474  
Dunning Kruger Affect's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 923
Total Cats: 67
Default

Originally Posted by ThePass
^ Too often so true.

Metallurgical issue. Normal teething issues for a first-year production IMO.
I see what you did there.
Old May 16, 2016 | 01:40 PM
  #2475  
turbofan's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,146
Total Cats: 1,087
From: Lake Forest, CA
Default

Hmm. Well mine hasn't been built yet, hopefully they implement the fix before it is if not, I'm confident Mazda will fix it. They have had issues with transmissions in CX5s here and there, but they're taking care of those too.
__________________
Ed@949Racing/Supermiata
www.949racing.com
Old May 16, 2016 | 02:44 PM
  #2476  
18psi's Avatar
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,482
Default

Originally Posted by Ziggo
In my experience, you pour over the design and testing of a part, work with a supplier on the production of it and validating it's performance, then in production, purchasing comes in and sends out for bids and the supplier that worked with you in design, who knows exactly what it will take to make the part, comes in with a bid that is above some other company who didn't really read through the entire print, purchasing sees it as a win because they saved $3 a part and all give each other handjobs over how awesome they are, and I just sit back and wait for the inevitable disaster.
Yup.

And in the case of Subaru, they just deny everything and say it broke from abuse and the owners can go pound sand.
Old May 16, 2016 | 07:25 PM
  #2477  
dasting's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 260
Total Cats: 58
From: NYC
Default

I just posted this in the bad driving fail thread, but I guess it's relevant here too. Might be the most NDs getting fucked up at once ever :(


Old May 16, 2016 | 07:42 PM
  #2478  
codrus's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,298
Total Cats: 884
From: Santa Clara, CA
Default

Pastor Maldonado is driving in the MX-5 cup series now?

--Ian
Old May 17, 2016 | 07:21 AM
  #2479  
hornetball's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 6,301
Total Cats: 697
From: Granbury, TX
Default

That's Maldonator to you, bub.
Old May 17, 2016 | 09:35 AM
  #2480  
Dunning Kruger Affect's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 923
Total Cats: 67
Default

It's like Spec Miata, but twice as expensive.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:19 AM.