miataturbo.net-like debauchery thread (about the ND or something)
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Just so that you guys can have a idea of the things around here (Portugal)7
Miata 2.0 PHRT base price : 24,800 € / 31,102 USD
VAT: 7,315€ / 9,173 USD
ISV (another tax based on the CC and CO2) : 7,007€ / 8,787 USD
Total: 39,122€ / 49,061 USD
And now the shocking part.
Average salary in Portugal: 984 € / 1,234 USD
Miata 2.0 PHRT base price : 24,800 € / 31,102 USD
VAT: 7,315€ / 9,173 USD
ISV (another tax based on the CC and CO2) : 7,007€ / 8,787 USD
Total: 39,122€ / 49,061 USD
And now the shocking part.
Average salary in Portugal: 984 € / 1,234 USD
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If I take the list prices here (with all taxes included, don't care to separate them)
Cheapest 1.8 softtop $30k
Cheapest 2.0 PHRT $40k
Cooper S cabrio is $35k
Removing sales tax for comparison gives $24k, $32k and $28k respectively.
I would hope that ND is priced about the same as the NC, the improvements is just to improve the product, not to make it go elsewhere on the the premium/sporty scales.
Edit: I could have read the guesstimates from the Paris show...
ND 1.5 with 130bhp, $26.5k before sales tax. Extrapolating would mean the 2.0 would be around $35k, spot on the Cooper S Cabrio.
Cheapest 1.8 softtop $30k
Cheapest 2.0 PHRT $40k
Cooper S cabrio is $35k
Removing sales tax for comparison gives $24k, $32k and $28k respectively.
I would hope that ND is priced about the same as the NC, the improvements is just to improve the product, not to make it go elsewhere on the the premium/sporty scales.
Edit: I could have read the guesstimates from the Paris show...
ND 1.5 with 130bhp, $26.5k before sales tax. Extrapolating would mean the 2.0 would be around $35k, spot on the Cooper S Cabrio.
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Also the dude reporting it, along with a few other people, are laying it thick with the NC love and how the NC is the best Miata, etc.
One of them balked at the price and then mentioned his 25AE in the next sentence (the MSRP was $32k).
One of them balked at the price and then mentioned his 25AE in the next sentence (the MSRP was $32k).
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Man, what the hell? I was hoping for Focus ST prices, not Mustang V8! The 155hp, maybe I can overlook depending on how it drives. But over $30K for a base soft top?? I can swing $23-25k out the door, but $31-32k when all is said and done? Doesn't the 2014 start around $23,xxx? Why such a boost in price?
If they don't sell any new ones then I am screwed on buying a 3 year old, ~$15-17k miata :(.
If they don't sell any new ones then I am screwed on buying a 3 year old, ~$15-17k miata :(.
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If the above is to be believed
ND ~ 155hp/148ft-lbs ~ 2300lbs ~ $30,000
And they are comparing it to...
Cooper S Convertible ~ 181hp/177ft-lbs ~2800lbs ~ $28,700
BMW Z4 sDrive28i ~240hp/260ft-lbs ~3300lbs~ $48,950
Scion FRS ~ 200hp/151ft-lbs ~ 2758lbs ~ $25,470
Audi TT ~ 211hp/258ft-lbs ~ 3340lbs ~ $43,350
(These are "starting at" MSRP prices and specs from the manufacturers websites for current models, so I assume 2015 at this point in the year)
I did some meaningless quickie back of the napkin calculations...
Dollars per HP:
ND - $193.5/hp
CS - $158.6/hp
Z4 - $203.9/hp
FRS - $127.3/hp
TT - $205.4/hp
Power to weight (hp/lbs):
ND - 0.067
CS - 0.065
Z4 - 0.073
FRS - 0.073
TT - 0.063
Then Mazda has a LOT of work to do
ND ~ 155hp/148ft-lbs ~ 2300lbs ~ $30,000
And they are comparing it to...
Cooper S Convertible ~ 181hp/177ft-lbs ~2800lbs ~ $28,700
BMW Z4 sDrive28i ~240hp/260ft-lbs ~3300lbs~ $48,950
Scion FRS ~ 200hp/151ft-lbs ~ 2758lbs ~ $25,470
Audi TT ~ 211hp/258ft-lbs ~ 3340lbs ~ $43,350
(These are "starting at" MSRP prices and specs from the manufacturers websites for current models, so I assume 2015 at this point in the year)
I did some meaningless quickie back of the napkin calculations...
Dollars per HP:
ND - $193.5/hp
CS - $158.6/hp
Z4 - $203.9/hp
FRS - $127.3/hp
TT - $205.4/hp
Power to weight (hp/lbs):
ND - 0.067
CS - 0.065
Z4 - 0.073
FRS - 0.073
TT - 0.063
Then Mazda has a LOT of work to do
Someone with more time has already compared miata prices adjusted for inflation. The NC is cheaper than the original. I wouldn't be surprised if the ND pretty close to that. I would seem Mazda isn't piling on the profit margin (or at least not by increasing the cost to the customer).
Obviously there maybe more attractive cars now (depending on what you want), but the Miata has never really looked spectacular on paper.
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My brand new Motor Trend from today has new pictures of the MX5, confirms the weight drop and says that the engine will be a....they don't say. 
Again for me, SkyActiv technology is phenomenal but it remains to be seen how easy it will be to add performance.
Again for me, SkyActiv technology is phenomenal but it remains to be seen how easy it will be to add performance.
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I thought Mazda confirmed the 2.0 for America in Paris?
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MX-5 1,8l softtop 41.150,00 USD
MX-5 2.0l PHRT 61.770,00 USD
1 galon premium gas 8,88 USD
Basemodel Tesla S 72.180,00 USD Electrical cars are exempt from all taxes even VAT, and do not pay road taxes, toll on tollroads and free on most feries. They have reserved parking spaces with charging in most city centres. Not surprising Norway is the second largest market for electric cars. Even though we are only 5.5 million here.
MX-5 2.0l PHRT 61.770,00 USD
1 galon premium gas 8,88 USD
Basemodel Tesla S 72.180,00 USD Electrical cars are exempt from all taxes even VAT, and do not pay road taxes, toll on tollroads and free on most feries. They have reserved parking spaces with charging in most city centres. Not surprising Norway is the second largest market for electric cars. Even though we are only 5.5 million here.
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So, what about that second-to-last statistic, where people in the US have 14% LESS disposable income after taxes than the US?
Course if you end up with 14% more income after taxes but cost of living is overall 25% higher then you're still worse off...
How about that 2016 Miata? It's going to be fantastic. It will need more power.
Course if you end up with 14% more income after taxes but cost of living is overall 25% higher then you're still worse off...
How about that 2016 Miata? It's going to be fantastic. It will need more power.
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