miataturbo.net-like debauchery thread (about the ND or something)
And Dunning Kruger has started half of them.
It was good to look at the spec racer at SEMA. Although the Mazda rep knew the size of the SkyActiv engine, he couldn't confirm the horsepower.
All markings were also scrubbed from the tires of the car--no manufacturer name or size indication.
Last, neither Bill Cardell or myself could figure out what the button and switch were for at the base of the windscreen.
All markings were also scrubbed from the tires of the car--no manufacturer name or size indication.
Last, neither Bill Cardell or myself could figure out what the button and switch were for at the base of the windscreen.
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Yep. Looks like a kill switch and an activation pushbutton for fire suppression. Not sure about putting it near the engine compartment like that though. Likely place to be having the fire.
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A bunch of first impressions have been posted online today. All of them are from the Spain event where journalists drove the 1.5L Skyactiv. They're also all reporting 155hp/148ft-lbs as confirmed from Mazda for the 2.0L motor.
I did some sleuthing and found a post from October where someone claimed to have been in a focus group, and he mentioned the 155/148 number. It's not rock solid, but 155/148 is fairly specific, so maybe the focus group trip report isn't 100% BS. I'll find it real quick.
e: 4 whole pages and months ago: https://www.miataturbo.net/general-m...7/#post1173101
I did some sleuthing and found a post from October where someone claimed to have been in a focus group, and he mentioned the 155/148 number. It's not rock solid, but 155/148 is fairly specific, so maybe the focus group trip report isn't 100% BS. I'll find it real quick.
e: 4 whole pages and months ago: https://www.miataturbo.net/general-m...7/#post1173101
I just came back from automotive survey featuring 2 ND miatas, one with soft top right hand drive like the one we saw in Monterey. One with targa/power retractable hardtop concept. They are being comparing against Audi TT, BMW Z4, Toyota FRS and Mini copper convertible.
The final number for miata is 155hp with 148ft/lbs and 2300lbs for soft top and 2400lbs for retractable hardtop concept. Retractable hard top / targa has panorama roof like the SLK.
The interior of the new ND feel smaller than my current NC. The door is higher or the seat is lower than current NC. Six speed manual is standard with keyless start stop. Navigation is on the Japanese model but doesn't know if American model have the navigation option. The navigation display is the Same as the new Mazda 3.
Soft top starting price in 30,495 and retractable hardtop/targa is 32,985
The final number for miata is 155hp with 148ft/lbs and 2300lbs for soft top and 2400lbs for retractable hardtop concept. Retractable hard top / targa has panorama roof like the SLK.
The interior of the new ND feel smaller than my current NC. The door is higher or the seat is lower than current NC. Six speed manual is standard with keyless start stop. Navigation is on the Japanese model but doesn't know if American model have the navigation option. The navigation display is the Same as the new Mazda 3.
Soft top starting price in 30,495 and retractable hardtop/targa is 32,985
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I don't understand why the Skyactive 2L is 155 but the previous technology 2L is 167. Doesn't Skyactive have big-time compression, direct injection, etc., etc. Doesn't add up. I'd expect a 12HP gain, not a 12HP loss. ??? A bunch more torque down low maybe?
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Definitely a fatter torque curve, but all in all that's super disappointing.
All they'd have to do is increase timing (or up compression) and require premium fuel, or even just increase the rev limit.
All they'd have to do is increase timing (or up compression) and require premium fuel, or even just increase the rev limit.
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My speculation, based on nothing, is that the current 2.0L runs out of breath around 5-6k. It's confirmed that the intake, exhaust, and head are different for the ND; however, no mention of the rev limit being upped, just the final numbers. They're probably more area under the curve just because the curve is going to be expanded out another 1k-1.5k.
That said, it's still m.net rumor mill until Mazda proper lays down the law. It's still somewhat disappointing, but I was looking to get out of my Mazda2 regardless.
That said, it's still m.net rumor mill until Mazda proper lays down the law. It's still somewhat disappointing, but I was looking to get out of my Mazda2 regardless.
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It's interesting that the 1.5L motor got a 20hp bump over the existing 1.5L ones (112 to 132), but the 2.0L is getting quoted as being the same as the one in the Mazda3/6/etc.
If the US version comes in at 2300lbs (they say it's expected to be more than the 2200 of the 1.5L version, but don't say by how much) then the power/weight will be worse than the NC.
--Ian
If the US version comes in at 2300lbs (they say it's expected to be more than the 2200 of the 1.5L version, but don't say by how much) then the power/weight will be worse than the NC.
--Ian
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The US one doesn't have the fancy explosive bolts for pedestrian safety and whatnot. I think that it'll be a marginal weight gain (tens of pounds, not a full 100).
Mazda's media site has the 155/148 number in a table now. The mnet tears... they must flow...
Mazda's media site has the 155/148 number in a table now. The mnet tears... they must flow...
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