^That's pretty disappointing for a car that size.
But $15k isn't bad either. |
The Mazda2 is kinda unique. It's pretty much as stripped down as you could get of a car in 2011-2015; it resembles a CRX way more than the CR-Z ever would.
It's 2306lbs, the handling is significantly better than you'd think, it has side curtain airbags and a primitive traction control/ABS, the 1.5L L-series motor is pretty dumb and simple (and slow). It doesn't like going 80mph, but it will, and it'll happy hum along all day at 60mph. There's nothing fancy going on with it; it's just straight up parts bin for everything on the car and there's no wizardry going on for the fuel efficiency; it's a 2300lb car with a 100hp 1.5L motor mated up to a surprisingly good 5-speed. It's extremely difficult to get under 30mpg in the car, and it's not hard to beat the 29/35/32 EPA rating. Mazda got infinitely more clever with the ND (and rest of the Skyactiv line) when you consider stuff like the 2.866 final drive and the 1:1 6th gear. The cam phasing is significantly more robust than their earlier efforts. |
Seems like with a small Skyactiv and some aero tweaks would easily get it north of 50mpg??
Then it would make sense. |
They haven't bought the skyactiv 2 to the US yet, hopefully it is a little better at everything. The 2011-2016 version was really fun to drive hard in a city and tolerable to drive on the highway.
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1275107)
Seems like with a small Skyactiv and some aero tweaks would easily get it north of 50mpg??
Then it would make sense. |
The Scion iA is rated for 33 city, 42 highway.
Looks like they put it on 16x5.5 wheels (vs 15x6 on the Mazda2) and it still has drums in the rear. The manual is 2385lbs. e: compression is 12:1, so I'm curious if Toyota just dropped in their motor and are just having Mazda build the chassis at their Mexico plant. e2: quick wikipedia check of toyota motors makes it look like the Scion iA is using an NR motor e3: it might be using a SkyActiv 1.5L, but I don't see any with 12:1 (so confused) |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1275084)
^That's pretty disappointing for a car that size.
But $15k isn't bad either. |
rarely do I agree with Leafy.
but he's absolutely right. :) |
our lexus ct200h is a great example: literally same car as a prius, chassis, engine, etc, but 400lb heavier because lexus, and good looking therefore way less aerodynamic, because lexus.
on average gets 5-10mpg worse than a prius |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1275112)
The Scion iA is rated for 33 city, 42 highway.
Looks like they put it on 16x5.5 wheels (vs 15x6 on the Mazda2) and it still has drums in the rear. The manual is 2385lbs. e: compression is 12:1, so I'm curious if Toyota just dropped in their motor and are just having Mazda build the chassis at their Mexico plant. e2: quick wikipedia check of toyota motors makes it look like the Scion iA is using an NR motor e3: it might be using a SkyActiv 1.5L, but I don't see any with 12:1 (so confused) |
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I want this mazda2 :cry: 'in black plz...
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1444870010 Or wait for a 2017 ND :party: |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1275141)
Not really. Besides the miata shape that micro car shape is the worst for aero. The 6 gets better highway mileage because it has a trunk.
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1275145)
rarely do I agree with Leafy.
but he's absolutely right. :) Maybe if I lived in Europe and needed a tiny car, but not in 'Murica! |
finally this thread has gone to the discussion it truly deserves.
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What's the MT ND count up to?
Emilio has one ThePass has access to one Moti has bad touched a few I bought one |
So . . . 4? Or is that actually 2.5?
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We have two here, owned of course by Brian Goodwin. Sean (Lincoln Logs on here) and myself both work here, so count 2 cars for the three of us.
I wish I had my own :cry: but at least I get to play with them :naughty: |
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FM has two... So I'll have access to those starting next month.
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Originally Posted by Brian Goodwin
(Post 7713188)
Here you go guys, first FLOW numbers for the 2.0 skyactiv head.....157CFM
Originally Posted by Chas H
(Post 7713209)
That should produce about 225 hp.
Looks like there's some more work to be done. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1276010)
I'm done. I would have never thought this would be the silver bullet.
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