Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1275906)
Drop almost 8lbs with OEM calipers
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I'm not sure the ND is gonna be as big a track car as the NA and NB due to the lack of hardtop and possibly needing to remove the softtop for some rollbars. Mazda really dropped the ball by not offering a hardtop.
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A hardtop is rumored to be coming. And 949 will have a hardtop out next spring. You have to pull the soft top on NA/NBs for some roll bars. Not sure how its any different.
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Why are the slots cut randomly?
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1276136)
I'm not sure the ND is gonna be as big a track car as the NA and NB due to the lack of hardtop and possibly needing to remove the softtop for some rollbars. Mazda really dropped the ball by not offering a hardtop.
Hardtop is coming, both from 949 as Aidan said, and I expect from Mazda as well. For now it won't be as much of a track car because it's so much more money, not to mention not very available. But 10 years from now?? Yep. They'll be everywhere out there. |
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I went to a Mazda drive event on Friday. They had a couple of their crossovers as well, but the main event was a pseudo-autocross course they set up for the Miata (at Transport Canada's enormous vehicle testing facility, which is an impressive place in itself). They had a 2015 PRHT so that you could compare it against the manual and auto 2016s they had on offer to try. I was surprised that they really encouraged us to go as fast as we wanted through the cones, which included a sweeper, a hairpin, a short slalom, and a braking box. The dude that rode along with me said he had an NA of his own, and he later took a spin at full pace through the course in the NC.
I couldn't tell much from the ~30 seconds I had behind the wheel of each on an unfamiliar course, other than that both NC and ND pull a lot harder in a straight line than my NB, and they're certainly both much smoother and more solid-feeling than my 16 year-old car. Big surprise. The thing that struck me most, I think, is how much more confidence-inspiring the brakes in both cars feel. Obviously at an autocross, power isn't an issue, but directness and ease of modulation are, and the newer cars were worlds better than my car, even with its embiggened master cylinder and booster. To top it off, they had a big tent where they served lobster rolls, shrimp, and a few other tasty appetizers. It was a fun way to spend an hour. |
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1276151)
For now it won't be as much of a track car because it's so much more money, not to mention not very available. But 10 years from now?? Yep. They'll be everywhere out there.
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1276136)
I'm not sure the ND is gonna be as big a track car as the NA and NB due to the lack of hardtop and possibly needing to remove the softtop for some rollbars. Mazda really dropped the ball by not offering a hardtop.
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Yes. they need one.
Read this very thread. |
holy shit, what a 1-2 punch of fucking dogshit in a thread about traction control. Keep in mind, this is after both Savington and I posted "if you're regularly engaging traction control on the street, you are doing something that is both dumb and dangerous"
No one is so good that a little extra margin is a bad idea It amuses me when someone is a great driver because they can autocross. We see great autocrossers most often fall way behind when faced with real world mountain driving. What I am saying is that we are all the best drivers in the world so who really cares if the next guy chooses TC or not |
Anecdotal evidence is best evidence.
Real rollbar is only rollbar. As soon as "real world mountain driving", or similar, is brought up as some sort of measurement, I nope the fuck out of whatever conversation I'm in. There's no convincing those people that all they're doing is driving like dangerous assholes and not, in anyway, proving their driver skill. I do see a good deal of Toyobaru twins at the track, though most are overly modified and driven slowly. A handful came into TTD this year after a local push for a Spec class. They've also proven not exceptionally fast. |
Originally Posted by dasting
(Post 1276258)
As soon as "real world mountain driving", or similar, is brought up as some sort of measurement, I nope the fuck out of whatever conversation I'm in. There's no convincing those people that all they're doing is driving like dangerous assholes and not, in anyway, proving their driver skill. |
Originally Posted by njn63
(Post 1276248)
Does the ND even need a rollbar?
Originally Posted by Blackbird
(Post 7643935)
With every step of the way I am more and more impressed with the job Mazda did on making the car lighter.
The factory hoops however, are a total joke. For anyone that has this idea that "it's probably just like an S2000 under the plastics", it's not even close. S2k, if I recall correctly, has the hoop structure made out of 1.5"x0.080" Steel tube. It's not SCCA requirements or anything, but it's something.. The NC has Steel hoops too, but they are 1"x0.062" which is not even close to anything. The ND went a step further and the whole hoop structure is made out of Aluminum with dinky tubes for hoops that you can flex by hand. If you're planning on tracking an ND do yourself a big favor and plan on buying a roll bar too, the stocker is literally good for nothing. |
^Thanks for that. I thought the reason for the more substantial roll structures in the newer cars was a safety regulation but I guess not.
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Originally Posted by njn63
(Post 1276292)
^Thanks for that. I thought the reason for the more substantial roll structures in the newer cars was a safety regulation but I guess not.
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Re: Traction control on the street
The guys having to push it on the track to have it engage were on wide, sticky tires. Skinny all seasons would be easier. Re: Not keeping up on the mountain Maybe slow guy is not less capable, just smarter. He recognizes unsafe situation and would like it not to be the last day he takes a breath. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1276340)
Re: Not keeping up on the mountain
Maybe slow guy is not less capable, just smarter. He recognizes unsafe situation and would like it not to be the last day he takes a breath. |
Emilio had a pretty good take down... that's probably going to be ignored.
But seriously, where can I get some S.drives?!?!? Ugh so tyte |
I wasn't aware that they had mounting tabs for a future factory hardtop on the 2015's.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1276607)
I wasn't aware that they had mounting tabs for a future factory hardtop on the 2015's.
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Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1276369)
Emilio had a pretty good take down... that's probably going to be ignored.
But seriously, where can I get some S.drives?!?!? Ugh so tyte Seriously though, remind me to never get in a car with "russ in va". |
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