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y8s 04-06-2012 08:26 PM

they exist for two reasons:

1. to keep your diff off the rocks when you're wheelin'

2. to allow buses and such to run super low floors below the height of the wheel hubs.

gearhead_318 04-06-2012 08:38 PM

A douche guy in a Tahoe SS almost understeered straight into me today while I was sitting at a T junction waiting to turn left. If I would have gassed it and went through the light I could have gotten hit, I couldn't go backwards or to the right because there where cars there. The guy finally got the thing slowed down and as he drove by looking at me, I was having a hard time expressing my rage, so I just said "REALLY?" and he threw up his hands and gave me the "IDK LOLOL" look. His traction control saved his indecisive ass.
:crx:

olderguy 04-06-2012 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 860302)
they exist for two reasons:

1. to keep your diff off the rocks when you're wheelin'

2. to allow buses and such to run super low floors below the height of the wheel hubs.

I can understand it for low buses, but larger diameter wheels should take care of more ground height, unless they just want to keep the small wheels;)

Joe Perez 04-06-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 860320)
I can understand it for low buses, but larger diameter wheels should take care of more ground height, unless they just want to keep the small wheels;)

Bear in mind that these guys are off-roading. The concern is driving over a rock which passes between the wheels. If the differential is the lowest point on the chassis, and the rock is taller than the height of the diff above average terrain, then that's what it will hit. I guess there's some practical upper limit to tire diameter beyond which raised axles become preferable. (Not an off-road guy.) I guess this allows you to increase ground clearance without increasing chassis height, which has got to be good for stability (lower CG.)

In this image, the crudely drawn rock is going to destroy the crudely drawn axle when the truck runs over it:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333762569


By raising up the differential and axles relative to the wheel, you gain additional clearance for such obstacles:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333762569

triple88a 04-06-2012 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 860320)
I can understand it for low buses, but larger diameter wheels should take care of more ground height, unless they just want to keep the small wheels;)

Every bit helps.. When switching to portal axles you'd expect around 3" of clearance increase.. to get 3" of clearance you'll need to go 6" taller tire. On average most people run 35s-38s on a trail and trucks come with 30-32" tires stock. In other words you'll be doubling the size of tires and lift needed to get what portal axles alone will give you.

yellowihss 04-06-2012 11:44 PM

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In case y'all didn't know.

Those are off a Mercedes Unimog.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333770298

curly 04-07-2012 03:56 AM

Looks like 50# in hardware alone. Something like that might have to be in my dream garage. Gotta have something to get around during the Zombie Apocalypse.

fooger03 04-07-2012 08:56 AM

Also, it allows for an additional gear reduction for the rock climbing folks who want a little more torque.

trickyrix 04-07-2012 09:26 AM

Some VW buses (split-windshields, IIRC) used gear-reduction hubs so the 25-horse lump could drag the bulky van body out of its own way.

Doppelgänger 04-07-2012 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 860455)
Also, it allows for an additional gear reduction for the rock climbing folks who want a little more torque.


I was about to say this as well. This is the main reason is torque amplification. The H1 hummer uses a similar gear system as well.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333805223

mgeoffriau 04-07-2012 12:59 PM

Saw an FZJ that had portal axle conversions. It was pretty slick.

shuiend 04-07-2012 03:16 PM

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mx5autoxer 04-07-2012 10:49 PM

Speaking of bad ass off road vehicles...



Not sure how comfortable I'd be with those monster tires coming within 12" of my face.

njn63 04-08-2012 12:02 AM

I've had a HJC motorsports shirt for a couple years and I had no idea what they even did haha. Learn something every day.

icantthink4155 04-08-2012 08:33 AM

That is a pretty awesome video.

elesjuan 04-08-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 860465)
I was about to say this as well. This is the main reason is torque amplification. The HUMVEE uses a similar gear system as well.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333805223

It also contributes the HUMVEE's amazing 16" ground clearance and ability to traverse some crazy surfaces.



Sorry, I rage when people label the HUMVEE an "H1" and raged even further when fugging GM did it.

This is a Hummer:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333892422
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333892422
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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333892422
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This is a piece of ---- suburban:




God these things are so gay...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333892422
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http://www.motorcities.com/media/ima...C-640-max.jpeg
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333892422
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http://www.miswallpapers.net/2008-20...9_1024x768.jpg


ib someone gets butthurt cause rebadged suburbans and Canyon's aren't designed or built to take off asphalt.

mx5autoxer 04-08-2012 10:30 AM

Those last few images should be viewed while listening to this


jeff_man 04-08-2012 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by mx5autoxer (Post 860663)
Speaking of bad ass off road vehicles...



Not sure how comfortable I'd be with those monster tires coming within 12" of my face.

I would DD that.

triple88a 04-08-2012 10:28 PM

Love the pannels all flapping around. Remote control car nylon body :D

triple88a 04-08-2012 11:14 PM

Yes hes acting... Funny as hell especially when his spotters start yelling too.



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