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Old 11-17-2008, 01:34 PM   #41
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I completely agree with both of you. Yes, when it hits the fan all bets are off. However, if you have solid practice and training, you have something to fall back on. I feel really good when I'm out on the town with competition shooters vs your average chl holder.

Competition is usually not really tactical. The best part about it is that it creates stress that makes your average person really spazzy. It's a good experience. And, for competition more biased towards the accuracy side of is a steel challenge type deal. Very fast shooting but there is NO missing. The average target is a 10" steel plate at 10-40 yards. I digress.

Ben, you can attest that even at the low key GSSF match that the timer going off makes things way different than punching paper at your own pace. The Glock is surprisingly good. Reliable and shockingly accurate. I really like the mini's. If you have a chance, shoot a mini, compact, regular and longslide next to each other. I can shoot the mini way faster and accurately (due to the recovery) than the longslide. The dynamics are that the minis (G26/27) cycle and recover very fast and consistently. With an Optima 4min dot on the G26 I used to shoot pepper poppers at 90yards. Used to. The eyes go downhill over the years.

Not to offend any law enforcement folks here, I have the greatest respect for them. The average officer on the street CAN'T shoot. Many have come out to shooting matches once and never returned even though we were very nice and supportive. They missed full large targets at very close range. Gunhandling skills were spotty at best. SWAT officers are a different story, they were pretty impressive especially when mixing precision shooting with extremely heavy physical challenges.

I am definitely not a warrior or a self proclaimed tactician. I am into the mental and physiological aspects of shooting (mixing in Aikido type theory). Helping people to maximize their performance based on their body, handicaps and abilities. One of my proudest moments was when a 72 year old female international competitor was coached into doing a sub one second draw (react to timer, draw and fire an aimed shot at 10 yards). Sorry, digression again.

Yes, shooting paper is one thing, but it's better than not shooting paper. Statistically you should practice very fast and close quarters shooting.

One of the best drills is to dry fire scenarios in the casa. Triple check (quintuple check) that everything is unloaded and there is no ammo in the room. Put the pistol where it normally lives. Lie in bed, retrieve your pistol, flashlight and flamethrower. Take cover, shoot, etc.
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:43 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by brgracer View Post
Considering that even in training exercises where there are no people shooting back at you,
Actually.... even some local clubs and definitely law enforcement have simunitions (specially modified pistols that shoot a marker sort of like a paintball gun) so they can practice force on force. It's eye opening and sometimes funny to watch. The newb good guy walks in the room and just hoses everyone down because he is nervous and jumpy!
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:58 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by brgracer View Post
Let's just say worst case scenerio, 3-4 perps who are poised to fight, I'd rather have the higher capacity clip vs. 6-8 rounds per reload.
There is truth here.

My brother in law is a deputy with the local Sherrif's dept, so I hear a lot of weird stories. A while back, there was a home invasion out in the boonies by 5 perpetrators. While his wife called 911, the husband went downstairs and (with a .38 Spc revolver) wounded one of the five. They then returned fire, missing the homeowner but killing one of their own.

The remaining four fled by car, and were quickly intercepted by officers. After crashing into a tree, they fled on foot. The wounded perp and one other were apprehended, one escaped, and the last (and I swear I'm not making this up) was killed and partially eaten by an alligator.

Moral of story: it's not always mano a mano. Eight rounds is better than six, and 17+1 is better than eight.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:01 AM   #44
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finally took a minute to recall all the hand guns I've shot:

.22 Ruger Single Six revolver

.38 Special Smith and Wesson model 66 revolver

9 mm Glock 19

Kimber “Ultra-carry” .45

Springfield Armory XD .45

Out of the hand guns, I like shooting the Kimber the best, then the glock, then the XD. I put the Glock over the XD simply because it's light as hell and my wimpy arms fatigue fast...so I can stand to hold it longer. I'm a great shot with the Kimber, not so much with the glock.
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:06 PM   #45
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When faced with a determined advesary, your best hope is to take your pound of flesh before they do.

If you have more than one perp in a home invasion they are either (a) attempting to gain a psychological advantage due to numbers or (b) plan to leave no stone unturned, regardless of cost. In senario (a), they will most likely turn an run at the first indication of armed response. In senario (b), chances are you will have to attempt to take as many as possible.

Outside of a home invasion, if you routinely trod in areas in which multiple assailant crimes occur you should already know the answer to the question, "How do I defend myself?"

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PS - To the suggestion of a Walther PPK/S, don't. For less $$ with matching reliability & caliber, but with better ergonomics, consider the Bersa Thunder or Bersa Thunder CC...
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:08 PM   #46
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I'm chiming in late, but I'm sure others have mentioned it...

Train often. Standing, kneeling, prone, both hands, strong hand, weak hand. It's amazing how many people have guns loaded and stashed away and they think sending 300 rounds downrange a year will make them proficient. Because when the adrenaline's pumping, you don't have time to sit there and think,

"front sight, trigger control, breathe"

Much less reloading, moving, taking cover, etc...
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+1 for DVCN's .38/.357 suggestion. If your wife will only go to the range once a year or less (90% of wives) get the revolver. In the middle of the night, in the dark she won't have to worry if there is a round in the chamber or not or if the safety is on or not. Find the trigger and pull.

If you will break down your weapon and clean and oil it less than once a year (90% of dudes) get the revolver. The name of the game is reliability and familiarity. Keep it simple.

No predjudice against semi-autos, (I have many) they just aren't right for everyone (Including my wife).
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