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Old 01-19-2007, 08:35 PM   #21
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With the extra $40 dollars you pay,you get there top notch customer service ,years of knowledge in miatas and last but not least you can say you bought it at FM.
and they'll throw in a discount coupon on a spare tire reloacation kit or a wood steering wheel, your choice.
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Old 01-19-2007, 08:55 PM   #22
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and they'll throw in a discount coupon on a spare tire reloacation kit or a wood steering wheel, your choice.
Only if you spend $3000 or more,you gotta read the fine print though cause that discount only applies during certain times of the year.
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This is a capitalistic society, and for better or worse it is ultimately up to the customer to decide weather or not something is worth buying or not. Not saying that FM is an awesome company or anything, but just that theres soooo many companies that do the same exact thing.

Its pretty messed up to charge that much for the intercooler lol ... i pity the fool who buys that

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hoop stress.

the nomex or whatever threads reinforcing the silicone tubing run circumferentially. THEY do not stretch much at all even though they bend easily.
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The hoses they use are the same or very near the same as what is normally used as couplers for IC piping. I don't think that they would have a problem expanding/contracting with any normal size turbo, but if someone wants a real Big Boy turbo, I think that material may become a problem. I think it was really designed more for simple installation than anything else. Yes they did make more power.. but if you look at the previous IC pipe routing, you get an idea of where some of that may have been lost. My gawd that was such a clusterf*ck.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:39 AM   #26
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Yes, and you know who designed the previous intercooler setup and their old kits, right?

Listen, if I had $5k to toss around, I'd buy a BEGi kit, not an FM kit. However, some of you really need to look at both sides of the coin. You're so wrapped up in bashing FM that all else is lost on you.
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I've seen hoses that felt thicker than the FM ones I handled the other day expand under boost on a dyno
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Hmmm...these folks don't seem to think there's anything wrong with using formed silicone hoses, and they've been doing it for a long time: http://www.samcosport.com/us/tech.asp Look, even a 2.75" dia. hose has a burst pressure of nearly 10bar (~150psi).

I mean, if a rubber radiator hose can withstand 16psi of water/coolant at ~220°F, surely reinforced, multi-ply silicone can work, right? Ya know, you can squeeze rubber radiator hoses, too...even the super-thick, fiber-reinforced ones.
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Hmmm...these folks don't seem to think there's anything wrong with using formed silicone hoses, and they've been doing it for a long time: http://www.samcosport.com/us/tech.asp Look, even a 2.75" dia. hose has a burst pressure of nearly 10bar (~150psi).

I mean, if a rubber radiator hose can withstand 16psi of water/coolant at ~220F, surely reinforced, multi-ply silicone can work, right? Ya know, you can squeeze rubber radiator hoses, too...even the super-thick, fiber-reinforced ones.
I agree. I don't have an issue with them.
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who cares if they flex a bit...that's why the wastegate maintains pressure. They are good enough for million dollar race cars, and good enough for my shitbox miata.
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Talk about markup, why does FM charge $140 for a pair of Mazdaspeed diff mounts when corksports sells them for $100?
So who's running the Corksport turbo kit that was announced 6 years ago? You can always find better deals elsewhere. There's always going to be markup. Do you think they should provide this crap for cost? At some point you do pay for good service. Some people go out to eat every day because they want someone else to provide them with the meal, prepare it, serve it, and clean up after the.

Try getting Corksport on the phone to get any information for anything from them.

As for the silicoine, Suby's have been running 25+ psi through silicone y-pipes for years with no problems.

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So who's running the Corksport turbo kit that was announced 6 years ago? You can always find better deals elsewhere. There's always going to be markup. Do you think they should provide this crap for cost? At some point you do pay for good service. Some people go out to eat every day because they want someone else to provide them with the meal, prepare it, serve it, and clean up after the.

Try getting Corksport on the phone to get any information for anything from them.

As for the silicoine, Suby's have been running 25+ psi through silicone y-pipes for years with no problems.

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yes but those hoses are very ridgid. these were soft
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Again, just because they're soft when you squeeze them, doesn't mean they're going to bow out under pressure.

Your radiator hoses behave the same way, do they not? As do the silicone replacements radiator hoses some vendors sell.
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The FM kits are priced nearly the same as the Bell kits if both have comparable electronics...the Bell kits appear to have better engineered or thoughtout parts. MarkP pointed out a design issue with the new FM exhaust manifold....cylinders 1 and 4's pulses are directed at each other, after they slam into each other they have to go 90 degrees up to the turbo. The Bell manifold's have baffling and the turns aren't as sharp. I want to support FM but it's looking like Bell.
It's also been reported the O2 sensor for the Hydra is fragile, looks like another plus for the Bell camp's Xede.
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My radiator hoses do not behave the same way. They are way stiffer than the FM hoses I felt.
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Comparing both products based on things that haven't been proven is pointless. Have both setups (similar "stages") been on the same dyno back to back?
Since the guy in houston is so close, he ought to come to the next dyno day. We can run cars with similar set up back to back.
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Since the guy in houston is so close, he ought to come to the next dyno day. We can run cars with similar set up back to back.
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And if I were in your shoes and were sure that my setup was better I'd offer the guy free dyno time for his trouble. That would actually be a pretty "brave" thing to do wouldn't it?
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Free dyno time? No problem.
Brave? Maybe. At least it would put the rumors to rest.
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You'll make Markp very happy if you prove the the FM dyno is padding the numbers. Make sure he's there in person.
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Free dyno time? No problem.
Brave? Maybe. At least it would put the rumors to rest.
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Absolutely. There are a lot of people who don't know **** making wild claims about both setups.
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