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Faeflora

11-18-2011 03:57 PM

I hope it kicks the ass of the shitty genesis coupe

thegrapist

11-19-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Track

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Originally Posted by thegrapist (Post 796417)

I'm not saying I don't want it. But it'll definitely need a tiny turbo for me to want one over a turbo genesis with the track pack. I think it's a good step in the right direction. People may actually start to realize that a good chassis and less power is better than a fwd car that has a million hp, shitty brakes, and no business in a corner.

which fwd car are you talking about? because the ms3 and the newer-ish cobalt ss had a million hp, really good brakes, and plenty of business in corners.

Not talking about sports cars. I'm talking about the cars that are the bread and butter for car manufacturers. The ones that general public buys because if it feels quick in a straight light, it's a sports car. For example, that commuter Hyundai with two hundred something hp. I like that some car companies are starting to focus more on driving dynamics rather than power output. And I agree however: the last gen ms3 was fantastic. The new one- not so much. The cobalt was killed (unfortunately) and I still haven't heard anything about the fuckus ST. So even the fwd mighty mites don't have much to offer currently.

18psi

11-19-2011 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 796776)

I hope it kicks the ass of the shitty genesis coupe

doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon since the next genesis is getting a healthy power increase in both powertrains to go along with its redesign while these assholes aren't even mentioning intentions of forced induction.....yet

unless they stop pussyfooting around and slap a damn churbo on there the genesis is going to bitchslap the brz in a straight line

TheDriver

11-19-2011 12:25 PM

I cant remeber the exaxt details but I got my motortrend on this thing and from what I can remember its way underpowered stock? or did I accident?

gearhead_318

11-19-2011 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDriver (Post 797024)

I cant remeber the exaxt details but I got my motortrend on this thing and from what I can remember its way underpowered stock? or did I accident?

The Genesis Coupe you mean? Somebody dyno'd or drag raced that thing and found it to be underpowered/slow.

Scrappy Jack

11-19-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 796318)

Ugly.

I hate this design shit (on a lot of new cars) with 48" tall doors with 6" of window. The ratio is all wrong and it makes it look like a fucking billboard.
I'm also past sick of this design cue of the "hidden" bumper look...you know, painting a large piece of it black to blen in with the front opening. It's terrible.

I would argue that a lot of that involves design-via-regulatory framework (i.e. side and pedestrian impact).

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Originally Posted by 85z28 (Post 796309)

DO NOT WANT. It's really ugly and overpriced. New shit has way too many bells and whistles, next thing they'll be giving us colonoscopys. Give me a bare bones car with a good sounding radio and a fun power to weight ratio and I'm good. AC is nice too.

Do you know anything about these cars? Tell me about the "bells and whistles" and in what way it is overpriced.

gearhead_318

11-27-2011 03:09 PM

Pitlab77

11-27-2011 07:43 PM

I cant get over how "ugly" new cars look.

9671111

11-28-2011 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 799632)

uglycars.jpeg

I think this is the worst one yet. Even worse than that subaru mess.

This is the only 86 worth a shit.

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-c...RS-86-side.jpg

Faeflora

11-29-2011 01:41 PM

It's missing the motherfucking turbo

Efini~FC3S

11-29-2011 03:30 PM

holy narrow tires batman

215s just look silly on this car

I don't think it looks that terrible, and at least they're making a car like this.

I may actually considering buying a BRZ sometime in the future. I'll probably have to wait a bit for a used one, I don't think I could bring myself to buy a new one.

Scrappy Jack

11-29-2011 04:35 PM

I'm really curious to see how this car does. I think this could end poorly in terms of sales because it seems to have been built for the vocal minority of car enthusiasts.

The problems are:

They make up a small portion of the buying public.
I would expect a significant portion of those enthusiastic about buying this car probably can't.
I would think another portion of the target market will have unrealistic expectations and will be disappointed (e.g. expecting 300 whp, 2800 lbs and $23k purchase price)
More people will cross-shop on looks and MPG versus actual handling and chassis balance (e.g. Kia Forte Koup vs FR-S)

Basically, I would think of this thing as a competitor to the MX-5 and a fit for those people that like the idea of the MX-5 but want a little more utility and no convertible (or current stigma).

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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 800474)

holy narrow tires batman

215s just look silly on this car

All else being equal, would narrow tires be more fuel efficient than wider? I've seen the Toyota people mention that the car is built for the enthusiast and expect wheel and tire swaps, specifically having the rear seats fold flat to allow four wheels and tires to fit in the back/trunk.

Full_Tilt_Boogie

11-29-2011 04:39 PM

Want

chpmnsws6

11-29-2011 04:53 PM

Focus ST is looking more promising.

gearhead_318

11-29-2011 05:11 PM

AWD? FWD = No want, maybe used eventually but not new.

chpmnsws6

11-29-2011 05:12 PM

247hp>200hp after 1st gear

Efini~FC3S

11-30-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 800489)

Yes, in general narrower tires = better fuel economy.

The Toyota guys keep talking about how they wanted the car to be goodz for the driftz. I wonder if the narrow tires make the car a bit more tossable? If I were to get a BRZ you could bet your sweet ass there will be some 245s or 255s on some wide wheels on it, and I'm sure that's the case with any enthusiast who would buy one.

falcon

11-30-2011 11:08 AM

Don't think this has been posted yet, but to give you an idea of it's overall size. Personally I like the front end and the tail lights on the BRZ better than Toyotas version. With a little snail on the stock boxer motor it would be a pretty fun DD and throw an STI or EJ20 motor in it and it would be one badass track car.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv...pfkto1_500.png
http://cdn1.worldcarfans.co/2011/11/...9719436894.jpg

Someone needs to take one of the stock photos, lower it and put some CE28N's on it or something like that. Some guys did that with the AE86 version and it looks pretty hot.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...93951136_n.jpg

Scrappy Jack

11-30-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chpmnsws6 (Post 800505)

247hp>200hp after 1st gear

263 HP > 247 HP after 1st gear? (Mazdaspeed3 for a turbo, FWD hatchback)

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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 800712)

Right; so 215s allow for better fuel economy and marginally lower operating costs for the person looking for a "sporty car" (aka Celica buyers) and better ability to initiate more mad driftz for the sidewayz crew (considering the seemingly paltry ~150 torques).

Meanwhile, they have hopefully left plenty of fender space (and trunk pass-through opening) for the guys that want to go with 225s or larger for more grip. My understanding is that one of the base models proposed for Japan comes with very basic 16" wheels. I am personally not a fan of "bigger is better" when it comes to wheels and would actually look to downsize the factory 17s to some wider 16s.

I love the idea of this car but I think it will be a sales failure.

JasonC SBB

11-30-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 796318)

Ugly.

I hate this design shit (on a lot of new cars) with 48" tall doors with 6" of window. The ratio is all wrong and it makes it look like a fucking billboard.

LOL. I hate the 350Z and the Chrysler 300 for starting that stupid trend. I can't believe the trend is still going after a decade.

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