Bad Driving Pics and Videos Thread - Asshattery, Carnage, Stupidity
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</span></p><p>Why the **** did he hold on for so long. Should have pointed straight off a longgg time ago.</p><p> </p><p>I've got a track day next week.</p><p>Will update with good gore.</p>
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I'm not audi expert, but doesn't the tire dig in a lot less if it's pointed head on at the dirt instead of totally perpendicular?
Is there any particular reason why he didn't try and correct at all? Big long dong audi or just loose nut behind wheel? Even if he thought he was still to fast to catch it or something, surly it'd be wise to at least crank the wheels pointed straight as you leave track?
Is there any particular reason why he didn't try and correct at all? Big long dong audi or just loose nut behind wheel? Even if he thought he was still to fast to catch it or something, surly it'd be wise to at least crank the wheels pointed straight as you leave track?
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Of course I can't find it now, but wasn't there some crazy video a few years ago of someone in a dark BMW 3 series essentially doing the exact same thing (maybe even that same corner) at Willow? The car rolled and tumbled multiple times. There was crash footage shot of it both from inside and outside the car IIRC.
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</p><p>Turn 9 at Big Willow claims another car.</p><p>So, before the internet tells me how much I did wrong - let me tell you that I know I messed up. I've been tracking for eight years, have been to this track numerous times in a number of cars and know T9 is a very late apex, decreasing radius turn.</p><p>Here's my take.</p><p>In this case, I turned in too early and too sharply. It was early in the day and early in the session, so I wasn't up to full speed and felt I had enough track to recover. The car tracked out and I maintained the steering angle I normally would for track out, pointing me down the track toward the right side to set up for T1.</p><p>Though, in this case, the angle was too steep and the grip too low, so the car tracked out a foot too wide. I know the protocol is to just go straight off with two feet in, and in hindsight I should have done that. However, in the moment, it wasn't apparent the car was going to go wide until the very last instant, leaving me no chance.</p><p>While I don't think I over-corrected, the steering wheel was definitely turned to the right some degree to get the nose pointed back down the straight. Once the left side dropped, the car shot back across the track and I tried to get the car to go off straight, but it was too late and there was no grip for steering or braking inputs to have any effect.</p><p>I had a chance to save it mid-corner, too. I had lifted mid-corner to get the car tucked back in toward the apex, but I got on the throttle too quickly and too aggressively, also forcing the car to push wider on exit. Had I laid off the throttle longer, or even tapped the brakes to help with front-end grip, and got the car pointing down the track before getting on throttle, I could have saved the corner -- and the car -- that way too.</p><p>Yes, I made an error. It's not my first and it won't be my last. In the grand scheme, dropping two off isn't an egregious mistake, but here at Willow Springs in turn 9, it's one with grave consequences.</p><p>Thanks for watching. Be careful out there! Hope you can learn from this mistake as I have.</p><p>For those curious, captured with a GoPro HERO4 Silver, mounted on the outside of the front windshield. Camera survived unscathed and still attached, though it stopped recording when the car landed on the roof, probably hitting the shutter button.</p><p id="41">
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</p><p> </p><p>There's his problem right there. From watching the footage you can clearly see from the apex that it was going to track wide, but he was probably looking only at the car in front of him, or looking at the apex still even as he was passing it. Not looking far enough forward, classic noob mistake from a non-noob. He probably was just rusty and not on his game at that moment, could happen to any of us.</p>
</p><p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">it wasn't apparent the car was going to go wide until the very last instant, </span></p><p>
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<p>But before that, he wouldn't have put two off if he'd been looking further forward. In fact, he probably wouldn't have apexed so early either.</p><p> </p><p>His real problem was getting out of bed that morning.</p>
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Bad Track Driving Pics and Videos Thread - Asshattery, Carnage, Stupidity
He started turning in when the car in front of him did. Common fixation issue. Then he didn't correct and catch the car at all. It looked like he was trying to will it back on line rather than admitting his failure and doing anything about it. I'm left wondering if he was a long time Audi douche and was unaware of oversteer as a phenomenon.
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We are hampered by not being able to see his steering inputs, but when you go two off tracking out and the car is still laterally loaded, the tail is going to come out and you are going back across the track. You can't catch it. You have to realize in advance the corner is done and not apex out under power, or go off without the car being laterally loaded.
It happens very quickly, and you don't know you're in trouble until you're along for the ride. I speak from experience, this accident is essentially the same as mine, except where he hits dirt and rolls, I hit the inner pit wall.
Mentally, he was with the car in that corner, rather than being ahead of the car, and that was his mistake. That crash had to be prevented in advance. Nobody can catch it because it's not catchable. Sonny's Buttonwillow crash a few years ago was not catchable either. He didn't put two off, but the physics were the same - car was laterally loaded, there was a traction surface change, rear comes out and away you go.
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I didn't see anything wrong with what you did. Quite a surprise. If the Porsche was going to pit out, he should have been on the right side with his fist out. Have you shown him this video?
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