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<p>Very impressed with the safety of that car though. passenger compartment looked untouched.</p>
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I'm not audi expert, but doesn't the tire dig in a lot less if it's pointed head on at the dirt instead of totally perpendicular?
Is there any particular reason why he didn't try and correct at all? Big long dong audi or just loose nut behind wheel? Even if he thought he was still to fast to catch it or something, surly it'd be wise to at least crank the wheels pointed straight as you leave track? |
Of course I can't find it now, but wasn't there some crazy video a few years ago of someone in a dark BMW 3 series essentially doing the exact same thing (maybe even that same corner) at Willow? The car rolled and tumbled multiple times. There was crash footage shot of it both from inside and outside the car IIRC.
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</p><p>Turn 9 at Big Willow claims another car.</p><p>So, before the internet tells me how much I did wrong - let me tell you that I know I messed up. I've been tracking for eight years, have been to this track numerous times in a number of cars and know T9 is a very late apex, decreasing radius turn.</p><p>Here's my take.</p><p>In this case, I turned in too early and too sharply. It was early in the day and early in the session, so I wasn't up to full speed and felt I had enough track to recover. The car tracked out and I maintained the steering angle I normally would for track out, pointing me down the track toward the right side to set up for T1.</p><p>Though, in this case, the angle was too steep and the grip too low, so the car tracked out a foot too wide. I know the protocol is to just go straight off with two feet in, and in hindsight I should have done that. However, in the moment, it wasn't apparent the car was going to go wide until the very last instant, leaving me no chance.</p><p>While I don't think I over-corrected, the steering wheel was definitely turned to the right some degree to get the nose pointed back down the straight. Once the left side dropped, the car shot back across the track and I tried to get the car to go off straight, but it was too late and there was no grip for steering or braking inputs to have any effect.</p><p>I had a chance to save it mid-corner, too. I had lifted mid-corner to get the car tucked back in toward the apex, but I got on the throttle too quickly and too aggressively, also forcing the car to push wider on exit. Had I laid off the throttle longer, or even tapped the brakes to help with front-end grip, and got the car pointing down the track before getting on throttle, I could have saved the corner -- and the car -- that way too.</p><p>Yes, I made an error. It's not my first and it won't be my last. In the grand scheme, dropping two off isn't an egregious mistake, but here at Willow Springs in turn 9, it's one with grave consequences.</p><p>Thanks for watching. Be careful out there! Hope you can learn from this mistake as I have.</p><p>For those curious, captured with a GoPro HERO4 Silver, mounted on the outside of the front windshield. Camera survived unscathed and still attached, though it stopped recording when the car landed on the roof, probably hitting the shutter button.</p><p id="41"> |
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</p><p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">it wasn't apparent the car was going to go wide until the very last instant, </span></p><p> |
<p>his problem is he didn't straighten the wheel when he put two off. </p>
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<p>But before that, he wouldn't have put two off if he'd been looking further forward. In fact, he probably wouldn't have apexed so early either.</p><p> </p><p>His real problem was getting out of bed that morning.</p>
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Bad Track Driving Pics and Videos Thread - Asshattery, Carnage, Stupidity
He started turning in when the car in front of him did. Common fixation issue. Then he didn't correct and catch the car at all. It looked like he was trying to will it back on line rather than admitting his failure and doing anything about it. I'm left wondering if he was a long time Audi douche and was unaware of oversteer as a phenomenon.
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<p>Here is one that happened to my student earlier in the year:</p><p></p>
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Originally Posted by Seefo
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<p>Here is one that happened to my student earlier in the year:
Keith |
my home track. good save.
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guy is a wizard. amazing.
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I did another track day. So here is my contribution.
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I want to drive MRLS so much. One day maybe.
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Originally Posted by Seefo
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<p>his problem is he didn't straighten the wheel when he put two off. </p>
We are hampered by not being able to see his steering inputs, but when you go two off tracking out and the car is still laterally loaded, the tail is going to come out and you are going back across the track. You can't catch it. You have to realize in advance the corner is done and not apex out under power, or go off without the car being laterally loaded. It happens very quickly, and you don't know you're in trouble until you're along for the ride. I speak from experience, this accident is essentially the same as mine, except where he hits dirt and rolls, I hit the inner pit wall. Mentally, he was with the car in that corner, rather than being ahead of the car, and that was his mistake. That crash had to be prevented in advance. Nobody can catch it because it's not catchable. Sonny's Buttonwillow crash a few years ago was not catchable either. He didn't put two off, but the physics were the same - car was laterally loaded, there was a traction surface change, rear comes out and away you go. |
Kyvat at Suzuka. Same crash physics, but corner entry instead of exit.
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Did I do anything wrong here?
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I didn't see anything wrong with what you did. Quite a surprise. If the Porsche was going to pit out, he should have been on the right side with his fist out. Have you shown him this video?
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Originally Posted by hornetball
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I didn't see anything wrong with what you did. Quite a surprise. If the Porsche was going to pit out, he should have been on the right side with his fist out. Have you shown him this video?
No haven't sent it to Porsche guy. I might forward it to the track manager and have him try to contact the guy. |
nice save. All that other guys fault.
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Originally Posted by dcamp2
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Did I do anything wrong here?
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Wait was that an alternate configuration/bypass that is coned off? As in not the actual track exit? He shouldn't have done that unless he was having mechanical problems. 100% that guys fault, what an idiot. You did a good job of not plowing into him.
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He needs to stop concerning himself with in-car Porsche issues in the middle of an active track and watch his damn mirrors. He could have killed you by stopping and turning in front of you.
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Originally Posted by dcamp2
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Big surprise while I'm going 100+. |
Originally Posted by turbofan
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If you're looking for something to do differently, that would be it. Was this on an outlap? I know that if I were closing on a vehicle at that rate I would have lifted much earlier, out lap or not.
Taking a shortcut through the infield would be considered a big problem with most organizations as well. |
you pass a camaro that's beading in pads while green, and then a Porsche tries to take you out. you need to find a better group of people to drive with. this is a nasa commercial.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
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I disagree. On the street, yes, but the track is supposed to be a more controlled environment. I pass off-pace cars on the straights that are off line regularly because mechanical failures are common on the track. What you don't usually see is an off-pace car crossing the track 3/4 of the way down the straight without checking his mirrors. It's ludicrous.
Taking a shortcut through the infield would be considered a big problem with most organizations as well. I Slow down when passing mechanical failure cars. I think not slowing down to pass a car that's obviously going way slower than race pace is unwise. No lap time is worth that risk in my opinion. If neither of those guys were called out on their unsafe behavior, You definitely need to find a new group to run with. |
That wasn't a real exit though. If it was the track exit I might be a little more cautious. But that was a conned of section of the track, the porsche had no business going there.
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Someone jammed a motorcycle straight up my ass when I was slowing to let someone merge onto the track. A motorcycle, the track is fucking huge and he picked where I was as where he wanted to go.
Dammed if you do, possibly dammed if you don't. |
Originally Posted by deezums
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Someone jammed a motorcycle straight up my ass
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Originally Posted by turbofan
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If you're looking for something to do differently, that would be it. Was this on an outlap? I know that if I were closing on a vehicle at that rate I would have lifted much earlier, out lap or not.
Either way- someone with a racecar (not street car) should know better period. |
If the organizers were not concerned with the two cars you passed I would consider running with different organizers.
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Originally Posted by dcamp2
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Nope. The track was hot all day. it's pretty much a zoo out there.
Either way- someone with a racecar (not street car) should know better period. |
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Fudge!!! HANS FTW.
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I had another track day. So here is more footage (comedy) for you guys.
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Aidan goes to track . . . asshattery ensues. Haha!
My gosh, there's a lot of concrete walls there. |
Welcome to PIR. Now you know why I'm jealous of your track.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
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I had another track day. So here is more footage (comedy) for you guys.
I did a $50 drift event in my track Miata and learned a ton about car control and recovering from scenarios like that. It used to be where if I started sliding, it was like a 25% chance I was able to save it. Now I can usually just ride it out about 90% of the time. Has saved me from having more than a couple time trials sessions DQ'd. |
If you watch it slowly, I caught it, thought I had it, corrected back, then realized I didn't have it, and lost it completely.
I had just started using 3rd gear there and was able to combat the understeer with throttle, but that time i used too much. |
As much as track drivers may not like drifters I can see and appreciate the ability to pull our of a big slide. Being in sub zero roads for 5 months it's a skill everyone up here should learn.
Automotive cross-training. (but not Cross-Fit) |
Originally Posted by Landrew
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As much as track drivers may not like drifters I can see and appreciate the ability to pull our of a big slide. Being in sub zero roads for 5 months it's a skill everyone up here should learn.
Automotive cross-training. (but not Cross-Fit) The instructors wet down a section of the school parking lot and made you get up to speed before they locked up the brakes and spun you out. You had to be able to recover before you could pass the course. I have no idea if that is standard or not, but it was a really good idea. That skill has saved my ass many times. |
Here's some idiot in a Miata trying too hard to outrun a 991 GT3:
Oh wait, that's me. We were both grinning like fools at the end of the session. |
haha excellent. Nice driving... til the end there, anyway.
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That car is RHD, no arm rest, and I believe in Canada, so aren't those stock Recaro Type R Seats?
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Originally Posted by Enginerd
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Not sure if this was posted already. My favorite is at 4:00 when two guys dump their bikes and one goes running down the track to flag people to slow down. Helmets are also optional, as you can see at 5:45...then holy shit for the next minute after that!!!
What a fucking free-for-all! I can't believe they don't need helmets! And they all get out! omg lol |
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
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That car is RHD, no arm rest, and I believe in Canada, so aren't those stock Recaro Type R Seats?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
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I dunno what car that is, but as soon as I watched the video I knew what was going to happen. They look like flimsy dick ebay seats.
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Originally Posted by thumpetto007
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Holy shit, is that corner just really bad? like is a small patch really slick? Or are people just going too fast?
What a fucking free-for-all! I can't believe they don't need helmets! And they all get out! omg lol |
Originally Posted by aidandj
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Decreasing radius. First turn looks easy, go in to hot, oh shit thats a tight turn.
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Yep. "Damn I feel slow, holy shit im sideways"
It doesn't help that there are like 14024339 turns or whatever on the ring. |
these people are part of why i stopped going to ocean city. hick town with dumb kids. |
Double post for no reason? Mod can delete this.
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Video of my dad getting hit by a Civic last Saturday during his main race. Dumb.
Driver of the Civic just bought that car and that was his first weekend out in it. |
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