good save. looks like he could have easily been turned sideways and door crushed.

nice helmet.

Just wow. I assume that is the Ring?

Wow. That's like crazy video game physics crash.

Well, he's made a dog's breakfast of that.

What a beautiful road! Jealous.

El oh el.

Funny thing about tires is they don't steer well when they are locked up, bro.

And yet again Brain posts something in the bad track driving thread that isn't on track, haha.

Should of hit the brakes before attempting to turn, amarite?

Reminds me of that Audi roll video.

AWD FTW amirite?

i dont see the problem.

:brain:

Well, yeah. He ideally should have slowed down before the turn. Since he didn't do that he shouldn't have completely locked down the brakes. When the wheels stop turning you end up where inertia is taking you with no ability to steer. If he had released the brakes at some point and steered in the direction where there continued to be roadway while applying a touch of throttle (because AWD), he may not have taken the fast way to the bottom.

It didn't even look to me like he was trying to take the next turn. It appeared more as if, as an afterthought, he was trying to pull over to the side because he just saw the Corvette parked there.

drifters gonna drift.


















































into walls and down embankments.

All that asphalt to the right at the tunnel exit- that's for setting up for the turn, right?

tires love making grip on top of rocks.

Or locked the brakes sooner, when a straight slide would not have resulted in going over the mountain.

or not driven in excess on a dangerous public road without any visibility whatsoever...

The Scandinavian flick move was good, but ignoring the brake fluid change prior to the trackday is pretty boneheaded.

Did the owner say old brake fluid was the cause in the comment section or something?

Yes.

Sounds like something a ford owner would say.

"I own a GT500. I shouldn't have to change my brake fluid before a track day like some peasant."

correct. why should you?

On the other hand though, those things are big bitches and can get going pretty fast in a straight line. Can even boil nice new fluid with ease lol.

my guess is that he cooked off the friction material or he got some kind of ABS ice mode thing.

That ice mode stuff just scares the heck out of me. The manufacturers should provide a way to disable that for track cars.

I actually had an "ice mode" issue on an F/A-18 once due to an intermittent Weight-on-Wheels switch. Lined up for a division takeoff (I was -3), and all of a sudden -- no brakes!

Will you please start a "hornetball's fighter jet stories thread"

I could read that fer days.

Oh and that was one serious badass save. Whether or not he was boneheaded.

Did you pull the fuse? Or have one of the yellow shirts turn himself into a wheel chock?

Pulled the emergency brake -- which disabled the anti-skid system. But I came uncomfortably close to -2 before stopping -- and the CO was -1 and was wondering WTF I was doing. It all happened fast and in the end got me an atta' boy. :D

The reason for the WOW interlock was to save tires. Occasionally a junior aviator would pucker up and trap with the brakes applied. I knew more than one guy with call-signs of "Boom, Boom" or "Bam, Bam." :giggle:

I've had an ice out event happen in my RX-8. I was on 255/40R17 BFG R1's and the track was Arroyo Seco Raceway in New Mexico. It is pretty bumpy, and also a private track so the runoff is not groomed. Just untouched desert with lots of shrubbery up to about three feet tall.

Hit the brakes at the end of a small straight and it was like a rock. Nothing happened. Let off, stabbed again, pedal still hard as a rock but I can feel ABS pulsing. Stabbed at the brakes over and over again but could not depress it even half an inch. Left the end of the straight and had only managed to scrub off maybe 10MPH, and I mowed down a ton of vegetation. I thought the whole front of my car was going to be fucked but my splitter that I was testing for the first time that day managed to cut everything down pretty well. Pulled the ABS fuse after that and never put it back in.

My crash from April '15. Turn 16 at ORP (cw this day) is not to be messed with. I touch the dirt outside the exit kerb, the tail comes out, hello pit wall.

This is not recoverable; it must be prevented in advance. I am aware of the mistake(s) that lead to this happening. Armchair drive if you wish, but take this away, if nothing else - do not put the outside wheels off when they are laterally loaded. It can be un-recoverable.

Holy shit, Richard. That was quite a hit.

:(

Ouch. That happened rather quickly.

So, I'm curious -- early apex led to wide exit? Or is that the correct line but just a bit too fast?

Wow. That was wicked. Just a moments distraction waiting for your pass in an area where you weren't even pushing hard. Looks like the car was unsettled from the elevation change right before the turn -- add in the dropped wheel and it just flipped on you.

I hate concrete walls.

Either too much speed or laziness. There was no countersteer, it almost looked like he had enough grip to stay off the outside, just didn't. You're trained to turn the wheel once and hold it, this might've simply been a case of needing to turn in a bit more, but I wasn't the one in the car. That turn is a killer. I've seen a Mini have a similar accident, and I was almost part of one myself.

Personally I think they need more run off and curbing there.

That corner is frightening CCW too, but there's no wall to run into if you screw it up CCW.

Just looked like an early apex, and then he got distracted by the carcahead and maybe lost track of where he was on the track. The curbing also ended abruptly.

I have plans to drive here at least twice this year...

Curious as to why the drivers airbag deployed but the passengers did not.

Over in the track day safety equipment thread, Richard said the passenger airbag was turned off.

Several things. The car had more power than the previous year. The car was running less grip than the previous year. I had taken that corner the same way the previous year without issue.

That corner is off camber and has a crest in the apex. You need to take it either very slowly, or with steady power over the apex, or slow then power on over the apex to keep the rear planted.

I knew the pointby was coming and was power on as I had the year before, but drifted wide tracking out.

I should have recognized what was happening and got out of the throttle.

This was my first time in the history of tracking this car where I had both more power and less grip. The limits had changed and were not where I thought they were.

When you change the car, re-evaluate all your marks.

[armchair_drive]If it were me, I would've given the turn up at ~0:17 with that much steering input. You're at track out on the rumble strips with the wheel turn left. Give up the steering input and drive off the track parallel to it, lift throttle and then ease back on. [/armchair_drive] I realize it's easy for me to throw that out just watching the video. But I have gotten away with this exact driving error countless times. I always go through a list of things to blame when I screw up and in the end it's always the same. It's a decision I made that put me there. Yep, I was the one at the wheel. :hsugh:

^ what he said

I was going to post this exact same thing.

At 0:18 you have way too much steering in the wheel. The fact that you had that much steering in the front tires when the right rear hit the dirt is probably the leading factor of why the car went around so quickly.

At the instant you realized you were going to run wide you should have straightened out the wheel and drove straight off into the grass/dirt. I wouldn't have even lifted off the throttle fully until the car was 4 wheels off. After driving straight off you would then need to "ride-it-out" and try to get back on track as safety and as smoothly as possible.

Basically, if you realize your going off you want to do so as smoothly and with as little change in your driver inputs as possible. Lifting off throttle abruptly or jabbing the brake can also cause you to loose control.

No arguments. This was a multiple choice question.

a) avoid crash this way
b) avoid crash this other way
c) avoid crash yet another way
d) avoid crash this other other way
e) none of the above, crash


Edit: It's been nine months now and I probably still visualize the moments of this crash in the last 10 seconds of this video at least 5 times a day. It sticks with you.

Ahhhhh!!! Corner worker station!!! (Around 6:00)


It was dropped coolant. Just as the tires were coming in . . . .

Reflexes.

Wow.

Not sure if this is what you are after, but it says carnage.
This is going to be an expensive tour egg repair, why anyone would want to tour around in an egg.
I think this car was actually parked in a garage.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455313366

Brain is trying to make this thread about street driving.

Laguna Seca's Corksrew Almost Wasted McLaren's Very Own P1 GTR

I did almost the exact same thing (but somehow stayed facing the right way forward)

@2:10

WTF, it looked like he was trying to drift it. :confused:

Best Sebring track video ever!

I would call that great driving for a brake failure lol.

When you on the racetrack but bae is back in the hotel and wants the D

Bad time for a booty call.

I lol'd when he crossed just behind the pickup that was leaving the hotel. Then I wondered why he didn't cut the engine and stop somewhere and walk back to the track. You know you don't have any brakes so stop the damn car instead of taking the grand tour and risking other people and property.

driving into a chain link fence and having it explode open.

Myth proved.

probably not a good idea to turn the opposite way of a corner...