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Old 05-03-2007, 09:09 AM   #81
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The NA didn't have a flux capacitor-- they were still working out the licensing at that point from the movie studios. I guess that's what makes it harder to find on the NA....
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:16 PM   #82
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LOL

..anyways back to topic, when running without the AFM, will there be a need for new settings/maps or does the the new PNP kit come with settings for this mod?
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Let's see if I've got this right?
1: Remove my Bipes, AFPR, Walbro, and 02Clamp.
2: Drop in some 440's.
3: Get an IAT and ditch the AFM.
4: Install LC-1.
5: Plug it in and start it.
6: Set the timing.
7: Go for a drive? Ok, Ok, go directly to the dyno nice and slow.

And all for $700!
WOW!!!

Is anybody going to the NE dyno-day going to have one? I know a few are MS'd, but anybody with the PnP?
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:06 AM   #84
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I'm doing my damndest to get one in time for the SE dyno day. Problem is they're not officially out until the 11th and the dyno is the 12th. We shall see.
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..anyways back to topic, when running without the AFM, will there be a need for new settings/maps or does the the new PNP kit come with settings for this mod?

I have ran my MS with both the AFM in and out. You might have to make some minor adjustments to your maps, but I didnt.

The only mod is the much larger smile on your face Removing the AFM is GOOD.
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..anyways back to topic, when running without the AFM, will there be a need for new settings/maps or does the the new PNP kit come with settings for this mod?
Deleting the AFM left a bit of a rich spike when running a map for with the AFM installed, so we have dialed in a second map for running without the AFM. We also have firmware already EasyThermed for the GM sensor as well as the Miata IAT sensor. The MSPNP comes with a CD that includes the base maps for both as well as the firmware and a copy of MegaTune.
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Old 05-04-2007, 07:32 PM   #87
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The MSPNP comes with a CD that includes the base maps for both as well as the firmware and a copy of MegaTune.
Matt, is there some kind of tutorial in the CD on how to read the maps and how to do basic tuning?
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The Tuning Manual has already been done.

http://www.msextra.com/manuals/MS_Ex...nual_Index.htm

You should probably have a read of it otherwise you could melt your engine.
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Deleting the AFM left a bit of a rich spike when running a map for with the AFM installed, so we have dialed in a second map for running without the AFM. We also have firmware already EasyThermed for the GM sensor as well as the Miata IAT sensor. The MSPNP comes with a CD that includes the base maps for both as well as the firmware and a copy of MegaTune.
wow. You guys are going to make so much money. Its nice that you guys made it sooooooo easy.
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do we have any idea if I can use an 1.8 t-body with the MSpnp? That will save me some cash on the swap if I can avoid FM's adapter plate.
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Assuming this is like the normal ms i should be able to hook this up to my 1.6 wiring harness and tune the 94 1.8L engine that i have in my car no?
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Assuming this is like the normal ms i should be able to hook this up to my 1.6 wiring harness and tune the 94 1.8L engine that i have in my car no?
That's what I'm doing. The only question I have is from my last post on the t-body.

The maps are going to be different, but there is enough knowledge base here that you'll at least get it started, and can tune the fuel yourself.
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:01 PM   #93
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Yes! You will be able to pnp assuming you are using the stock 1.6L sensors etc...
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..anyways back to topic, when running without the AFM, will there be a need for new settings/maps or does the the new PNP kit come with settings for this mod?
We'll have a base map, firmware, and MegaTune config pre-setup for with AFM and without. The firmware is different due to the different IAT sensor calibration, same with the MegaTune setup. The base map is slightly different, mainly in the fuel table.
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I'm doing my damndest to get one in time for the SE dyno day. Problem is they're not officially out until the 11th and the dyno is the 12th. We shall see.
Just got back in town and PM'd you, we'll see what we can work out....
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:03 PM   #96
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Thank you Jerry! It sounds like your vacation was well deserved.

BTW guys, I spoke with Jerry a few minutes ago. He informed me that he believes that their mapdaddy 4 bar w/ barometric MAP sensor should integrate well into the MSPNP inplace of the standard 2.5 bar. The difference in price is nominal; IMO well worth it. He is going to mock up a test board in a car sometime in the next day or three to make sure everything is kosher.

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Just ordered the knock sensor so

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Old 05-07-2007, 05:20 PM   #97
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Man, it's about friggin' time someone put together a Miata PNP kit and support for the MS.

Didn't carefully scrutinize this entire thread, but what's the projected price?
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Old 05-07-2007, 05:23 PM   #98
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around $700.
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$700 - $720 for the MS plus ~$30 for an intake temp sensor and its bung
I'm also electing to get the baro correction 4 bar map sensor (standard is 2.5 bar and no baro correction) for an additional $60 plus knocksense for $98. So $900 total.
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Old 05-07-2007, 05:42 PM   #100
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Ahh, 'nother question

Jerry: Can the MS PNP work with signal from a real TPS? I have a linear output TPS from a 1.8NA car on a 1.6 throttle body that I could install...
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