Brakes ????
I have a couple of brake questions. Does anyone pull their ABS fuse for dry track days? Or employ a switch? I sometimes feel the ABS kick in. I知 not sure if I could do better without or if it is saving me from flat spotting a tire.
I知 using XP-8s currently but think it may be time to move to XP-10s. I知 getting faster. I知 also going to need to replace my RS3s, after my next track day, and want to go to NT-01s or Maxxis RC-1s. I think these grippier tires, on their own, warrant the XP-10s. I知 wondering if there is a need to go to a BBK if I have yet to beat the Spec Miata track record at my track. Thanks!! |
I don't run ABS, but as to the BBK question -
Plenty of lower-powered Miatas going fast on standard brakes, no need to change to a BBK 'just because' but there are plenty of factors that can determine that a BBK is the right move for you. Reasons to change to a BBK include: if you need more thermal capacity (overheating brakes near end of the session), if you want to reduce consumable costs over the long term, if you want to extend the lifespan of those consumables, and/or if you're experiencing pad taper with standard calipers. At 200whp, you'll be getting close to SM times with your planned tire change, but with higher speeds on the straights and therefore more demand on the brakes than a SM. Yes, XP10 (at least) would be a smart move when you change to NT01/RC1. Depending on the braking demands of your tracks, you may even need XP12 if you stick with standard brakes. With a BBK which has more thermal capacity and/or with brake ducts XP10 may be sufficient. |
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Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1268652)
I have a couple of brake questions. Does anyone pull their ABS fuse for dry track days? Or employ a switch? I sometimes feel the ABS kick in. I’m not sure if I could do better without or if it is saving me from flat spotting a tire. I’m using XP-8s currently but think it may be time to move to XP-10s. I’m getting faster. I’m also going to need to replace my RS3s, after my next track day, and want to go to NT-01s or Maxxis RC-1s. I think these grippier tires, on their own, warrant the XP-10s. I’m wondering if there is a need to go to a BBK if I have yet to beat the Spec Miata track record at my track. Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by Seefo
(Post 1268689)
XP10s/8s last maybe 2 weekends (3 if I am risk) in my car with NT-01s. I have 1.8 brakes and no ducts though.
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I have TSE brake ducts now. My pads are lasting waaaaay longer than 2 weekends! Maybe I just don't brake hard enough! I do run SRF fluid and have those titanium "Hard Brake" shims to help insulate heat transfer to calipers. I have the OEM Sport brakes also if that makes a difference
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Originally Posted by ThePass
(Post 1268694)
Front pads mostly or both?
Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1268713)
I have TSE brake ducts now. My pads are lasting waaaaay longer than 2 weekends! Maybe I just don't brake hard enough! I do run SRF fluid and have those titanium "Hard Brake" shims to help insulate heat transfer to calipers. I have the OEM Sport brakes also if that makes a difference
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how is the balance of the car in the first 1/3 of a turn?
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Originally Posted by Seefo
(Post 1268720)
I am sure the sport brakes help (and the ducts). I wouldn't do a BBK in your case.</p>
e: A BBK is virtually required to extract max potential from a 200whp Miata. BTDT Stock 1.8L pads, 1.8L calipers, race pads, 220whp, 5sec under SM record, 5 sessions at Laguna: Outside: Attachment 183866 Inside: Attachment 183867 |
Do the Sport brakes wear pads more evenly?
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I agree with the "yes, a BBK is worth it" comments above, plus the other benefit is lower unsprung weight. Compare the cost-per-pound-reduction of brakes vs that of forged wheels and it's actually pretty competitive.
--Ian |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1268780)
Do the Sport brakes wear pads more evenly?
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Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1268793)
no race pads should wear evenly. not something you should consider when building a system.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1268809)
That seems counter-intuitive. If the caliper is working efficiently it should apply equal pressure on both sides of the pad. ????????
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Makes sense, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1268769)
I would. The improvement in pedal feel alone is worth the upgrade, IMO. Running costs also drop slightly. e: A BBK is virtually required to extract max potential from a 200whp Miata. BTDT Stock 1.8L pads, 1.8L calipers, race pads, 220whp, 5sec under SM record, 5 sessions at Laguna: Outside: Inside:
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Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1268713)
Maybe I just don't brake hard enough!
A recent article I read said, in general, max braking Gs should be around 90% of your max cornering Gs. |
I only use Harry's Lap Timer with my Iphone 5. I actually think that data is available but I haven't really been looking at data, other than lap times. I guess I better see if that info is available.
I see those front Big Brake Kits have the same size rotor as my sport brakes have now, but with two pistons. Some kits mention adding sport brakes in the rear, which I have already. It would seem my brakes would already have the thermal capacity of these kits and be far superior than standard 1.8 brakes, but I DO trust Andrew's opinion. Maybe I should start with some fresh fluid and some XP-10s or XP-12s and see what happens before going BBK. |
Since you have the sport stuff already, the front FM Little Big Brake kit with the Wilwood calipers might be a nice upgrade. I think that's basically a bracket and caliper upgrade.
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Originally Posted by Seefo
(Post 1268872)
my pedal is amazing with a 1" master cylinder (which you can do for considerably less).
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Originally Posted by Seefo
(Post 1268872)
Certainly a BBK now will be building for the future and that is definitely valuable.</p>
Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1268958)
I see those front Big Brake Kits have the same size rotor as my sport brakes have now
but with two pistons. It would seem my brakes would already have the thermal capacity of these kits Product Link - Trackspeed Gen2 11.75" Big Brake Kit |
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