Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1268958)
I only use Harry's Lap Timer with my Iphone 5. I actually think that data is available but I haven't really been looking at data, other than lap times. I guess I better see if that info is available.
I see those front Big Brake Kits have the same size rotor as my sport brakes have now, but with two pistons. Some kits mention adding sport brakes in the rear, which I have already. It would seem my brakes would already have the thermal capacity of these kits and be far superior than standard 1.8 brakes, but I DO trust Andrew's opinion. Maybe I should start with some fresh fluid and some XP-10s or XP-12s and see what happens before going BBK. Agree- I'd just upgrade fluid and pads and then wait and see what happens... as you get faster you'll eventually need larger brakes. That said- a bbk for the front axle is probably pretty cheap (that's all you'll need... my bbk has sport rear discs). |
Adding to the -BBK is worth it side. I'm at 145ish whp. With stock 1.8 brakes, DTC60s and running at or slightly better than SM records, I was going through a set of pads in a weekend more or less. Found a deal on the 11.75" BBK, upgrade the rears to 11" rotors- pad life is way way extended. And fuck- dat pedal feel.
I couldn't imagine having 200whp and not having bigger brakes. I would never feel confident going into a turn. |
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1268769)
I would. The improvement in pedal feel alone is worth the upgrade
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1268973)
Since you have the sport stuff already, the front FM Little Big Brake kit with the Wilwood calipers might be a nice upgrade. I think that's basically a bracket and caliper upgrade.
Originally Posted by FM website
These are not intended to be super heavy duty track brakes. For that, we recommend our four wheel big brake kit with the heavier Dynalite calipers and two-piece rotors. These are a good street, autocross and light track option.
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Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1269027)
The powerlite calipers on the LBBK have small pads with limited pad selection. Fine for the rear but not for the front of a heavily tracked car.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1268991)
That's my point. His brakes work now, but there will come a time when they may not do the job. Upgrading when it comes time to do pads/rotors next would be a good choice, since it future-proofs the car and improves pedal feel/performance at the same time.
Sport front rotors are 10.6", our BBK is 11.75" Whoops didn't realize that! All of our BBKs use four-piston or six-piston calipers I disagree :party: Product Link - Trackspeed Gen2 11.75" Big Brake Kit |
If you like the XP pads, stick with those. We don't include pads for that reason - it allows you to pick. I like the DTC-60s for their price and characteristics, but I've used XP12s in the past and they are good pads if you are OK with the cost and finnicky break-in.
The base kit is a perfectly competent BBK, yes. My black turbo racecar ran DTC-60s in Dynalites on straight-vane 11.75s for years with pretty good results. I would typically get 2-3 days out of a set of pads and 5-6 days out of a set of rotors, but that's in a 350whp car going 8-10sec under SM record. I think the Dynapros are a worthwhile upgrade for everyone, and if you struggle for rotor life, the directional rotors will help with that. |
I'm on 11.75" kit in front with DTC-60's, xp-8's in the rear with sport rotors, 1.8 caliper on adapters. works great.
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Originally Posted by ericwh
(Post 1268988)
You use a 1" master cyl with the stock brakes? I haven't heard of this, I thought they were for BBK. You see this as a beneficial mod without BBK?
I do. I like it. Just think, very stiff porsche style pedal. You got a few options: 1) 949/Wilwood 1" with the 99 booster (sealed). 2) 949/Wilwood 1" with 01+ style boosters (non-sealed). You will need to figure out a way to seal the booster. I guess Silicone would work, or if you can find an gasket/o-ring? I sent Emilio an e-mail a long time ago about how he got this to work on crusher...but he didn't share ;). 3) 929 (the car) Master cyliner with 01+ style boosters. Is it worth it? I think so. The pedal feel is stiff and very short travel. Your choice of booster, overall grip, and brake pads will determine if it increases effort compared to stock or not. With that said, I did it because I plan to move to a BBK. That's on the back burner now for chumpcar. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1269081)
If you like the XP pads, stick with those. We don't include pads for that reason - it allows you to pick. I like the DTC-60s for their price and characteristics, but I've used XP12s in the past and they are good pads if you are OK with the cost and finnicky break-in.
The base kit is a perfectly competent BBK, yes. My black turbo racecar ran DTC-60s in Dynalites on straight-vane 11.75s for years with pretty good results. I would typically get 2-3 days out of a set of pads and 5-6 days out of a set of rotors, but that's in a 350whp car going 8-10sec under SM record. I think the Dynapros are a worthwhile upgrade for everyone, and if you struggle for rotor life, the directional rotors will help with that. 2) Do the directional rotors last THAT MUCH longer to justify $150 premium? I could see on an enduro car but for an HPDE car are they worth the difference? 3) I like the lower cost on the DTC-60s, but could I drive them back and forth to the track? Local track is 40 minutes away...mostly highway. |
Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1269317)
1) What is the difference between the Dynapros and Dynalites?
stiffer, different pads 2) Do the directional rotors last THAT MUCH longer to justify $150 premium? I could see on an enduro car but for an HPDE car are they worth the difference? 3) I like the lower cost on the DTC-60s, but could I drive them back and forth to the track? Local track is 40 minutes away...mostly highway. yes |
Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1269317)
1) What is the difference between the Dynapros and Dynalites?
Originally Posted by tomiboy
(Post 1269317)
3) I like the lower cost on the DTC-60s, but could I drive them back and forth to the track? Local track is 40 minutes away...mostly highway.
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Cobalt pads might be a good choice. I know from just taking a quick trip up the road that they have plenty of bite on the street.
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They are also twice the price.
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I used Carbotech's on my last two Miata brake setups and was happy with them.
On the BRZ this time I'm giving the Winmax W5 pads a go. |
Winmax is 2x-3x the price. They also scale the pricing increase for their pads linearly as performance increases, despite the relatively similar cost of production for pads across the line. It could be in part because the higher friction stuff is produced in smaller quantities, but the pricing structure still doesn't sit well with me.
If you're going to increase the budget, PFC or bust. |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1269422)
They are also twice the price.
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Originally Posted by ThePass
(Post 1269455)
Winmax is 2x-3x the price. They also scale the pricing increase for their pads linearly as performance increases, despite the relatively similar cost of production for pads across the line. It could be in part because the higher friction stuff is produced in smaller quantities, but the pricing structure still doesn't sit well with me.
If you're going to increase the budget, PFC or bust. And at least on the BRZ, the equivalent pads between the two brands are about the same price. I think the Winmax may have been about $20/cheaper for all 4 corners. I just felt like giving something new a shot for the new platform. |
Originally Posted by ThePass
(Post 1269455)
If you're going to increase the budget, PFC or bust.
once you try PFC's you won't go back to anything else. |
All the talk of PFC is one of the driving forces in me saving my pennies for Trackspeed's kit this winter.
I really wish i had never put Sport brakes on my car. |
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