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Old 12-28-2012, 12:00 PM   #281
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What tires are those? I thought I seen somewhere where you said what size they were?

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what does going to ST2 entail?
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What tires are those? I thought I seen somewhere where you said what size they were?

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245/580R15 Hoosier slick on 15x10

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what does going to ST2 entail?
We ran Performance Touring ,"PT" the last few years. In PT we have lbs/hp tiers from 10.0:1 to 16.5:1. Points assessed for every modification, 19 pt cap before you get bumped to the next class.

ST2 is "Super Touring", between the new for 2013 ST3 and existing ST1. We're allowed 8.0 lbs/hp to start with a few correction factors for things like dog boxes, slicks vs DOT tires, FWD, AWD, 4 dr Sedan, etc. No points are assessed for mods so it's pretty wide open. We can run any aero we want but a fastback gets a weight penalty (which I think is a bad rule). We can't modify the tub to much but we can go crazy with the cage to the point of nearly making it a tube frame car. Crusher will get a heavily revised cage structure. Beside gaining much need stiffness ahead of the firewall, it'll be seeing 150+mph a lot.

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We'll add a Borg EFR 6258 running modest boost, making maybe 260whp in a vast, flat dyno plot. Aero like no one has ever seen on a Miata, and probably DOT tires. We may or may not race on the R80/R100's. We'll have to do some more tire testing and see what our options are.
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This may be the most exciting Miata news I've ever read. Looking forward to the progress and updates.
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I am looking forward to picking up where Crusher left off in PTC in the next few years.
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I am looking forward to picking up where Crusher left off in PTC in the next few years.
I still think the NB will be competitive in C. We managed to remove some aero after Ohio and make the car even faster with only 16 pts for T25. The splitter is worth another .7s or so. No doubt in my mind that I could go back to Ohio and run low 1:34's.

So yeah, I'd like to see someone carry the C torch at Miller this year. We'll have cars there in E,D and ST2.

Meanwhile, another pic of the dirtiest orange Miata in lake Forest. Combined T25 grime plus a day of tire testing in the rain. He's a crusty little fellow.

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Incredibly excited to see the development of the car into ST2! It's like PTC was some really cool concepts shoehorned into the strict ruleset but ST2 will allow your imagination to run wild. Can't wait to see what comes of it.

With the move to making Crusher an even faster miata, does this pretty much fill the shoes that the OGK once did, or do you still hope to some day bring the OGK back?

Keep it up!
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Nice nice nice.
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Incredibly excited to see the development of the car into ST2! It's like PTC was some really cool concepts shoehorned into the strict ruleset but ST2 will allow your imagination to run wild. Can't wait to see what comes of it.

With the move to making Crusher an even faster miata, does this pretty much fill the shoes that the OGK once did, or do you still hope to some day bring the OGK back?

Keep it up!
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Crusher pretty much fills the role of the Orange Giant Killer. I guess the difference is Crusher was built with a lot more finesse and budget. The OGK was cheap, crude and fast. The OGK name stands for something though so I'll bring it back at some point. In a way though, Crusher will be the giant killer going up against unlimiteds in USTCC, Z06's in ST2, etc.
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Crusher pretty much fills the role of the Orange Giant Killer. I guess the difference is Crusher was built with a lot more finesse and budget. The OGK was cheap, crude and fast. The OGK name stands for something though so I'll bring it back at some point. In a way though, Crusher will be the giant killer going up against unlimiteds in USTCC, Z06's in ST2, etc.
OGK rules then. That's kind of where I am now. I once had cash but I'm now in abject poverty so I'm going to go faster than everyone in my class and do it with no money.
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.. but I'm now in abject poverty so I'm going to go faster than everyone in my class and do it with no money.
Priceless.

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ST2 is ... a Borg EFR 6258 running modest boost, making maybe 260whp in a vast, flat dyno plot. Aero like no one has ever seen on a Miata...


I will continue to live vicariously through this car...
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you should come out to Arizona for the Modified Magazine night event and GTA (Global Time Attack)... I know plenty of people that would be more than happy to put you guys up for the night.
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you should come out to Arizona for the Modified Magazine night event and GTA (Global Time Attack)... I know plenty of people that would be more than happy to put you guys up for the night.
Perhaps. We usually stay in Indio.
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Very cool Emilio. Since I ran a Miata in 2012 NASA TTS, and am I building another one right now for 2013 TT2 (same rules as ST2 except for safety equipment) you know I'll be watching this thread. I'll be going the LS1 route again.

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Will 949 offer 260whp-unlimited-aero-10"Slicks-sickcaged-25hours-approved front hubs/spindles in 2013 ?
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Will 949 offer 260whp-unlimited-aero-10"Slicks-sickcaged-25hours-approved front hubs/spindles in 2013 ?
Probably not. Its a sprint car. No T25
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Will be anxious to see what your doing since ST2 is the direction I'm headed with mine. Sucks on the fast back, really was debating dropping the coin until Andrew clued me in. So, no mods to the OE roof line - I'm assuming that included anything small such as vortex generators too.

So, I'll buy the all the miata **** I can (in honor of abject poverty stricten Hustler), then re-sell it when it doens't work and copy your setup after you destroy all vettes and GT3s in class.
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Paulo Acoba took this picture at Cars n Coffee this morning. That's Manny, one of our hero fuelers.

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