Raceland Dyno Test Results - Page 5 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain discuss the wondrous effects of boost and your miata...

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-06-2010, 01:32 AM   #81
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,114
Total Cats: 351
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
We're literally comparing something equivalent to $9.99 Pep Boys OEM replacement shock mechanism to AST/JRZ/Moton's. Naturally, after all the work I put into getting the Xida's made for you guys, I bristle and the ill-informed inferring that these $10 shocks are "similar".
I heard, "oh man, he spent all that money on the turbo and bought K-Sport crap" again on Saturday at the track from the orange upper mounts, before the first session from a bunch of Evo ****. The Cobb catalog car felt it worse than the rest.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 01:37 AM   #82
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,114
Total Cats: 351
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaster View Post
It sounds like the devil is in the details...particularly around that transition area and at low speeds. Also, as is often mentioned, monotubes are a bit like big brakes in their ability to dissipate heat. I wonder the Raceland twintubes would be better or worse with the big external tube cover (would it act as an insulator or a heat sink?)
Who gives a ****?

A trailer bumpkin wanted to race me today in his broke-*** Grand Am. He had the same logic as you, "I wonder [if] the Grand Am would be better or worse with the side dump exhaust?"
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 02:01 AM   #83
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 70
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie S. View Post
It's like stuffing socks in your pants and going to the club. In the end, everyone is disappointed.
Is that a shock in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Disaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 10:05 AM   #84
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,838
Total Cats: 1,787
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 90R View Post

and the book you are reading:

Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 10:10 AM   #85
90R
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 278
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Braineack View Post
and the book you are reading:

sorry I can't read...I didn gradgeate high scrool
90R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 10:23 AM   #86
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,838
Total Cats: 1,787
Default

????

Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 11:11 AM   #87
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 70
Total Cats: 0
Default

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Disaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 11:40 AM   #88
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,838
Total Cats: 1,787
Default

Looking at the shock dyno files, there is quite a bit of hysteresis on them.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 12:46 PM   #89
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 3,109
Total Cats: 127
Default

Bernie, can you open up the inserts? Can they be revalved, or changed with some better internal parts? Comparing these to Xida's...lol
jacob300zx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 12:52 PM   #90
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,838
Total Cats: 1,787
Default

I think the only comparison was the shape of the curve. The fronts as measured, look very similar to the shape of the Xidas at mid stiffness, the end.

All I know is that they are not digressive. Have dampening as you should expect for the spring rates in the front, have stock dampening in the rear, and have lot of hysteresis. that's about all i know.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 01:59 PM   #91
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Fairfield, California
Posts: 418
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jacob300zx View Post
Bernie, can you open up the inserts? Can they be revalved, or changed with some better internal parts?
$9.99 insert; $500 custom re-valve.
Thucydides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 05:23 PM   #92
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 3,109
Total Cats: 127
Default

Cost is relative to what the performance after a revalve will be.
jacob300zx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 05:26 PM   #93
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,838
Total Cats: 1,787
Default

true, but too bad you cant just buy the raceland shells just to have good mono-tube inserts dropped in.

I still question the weld on the lower eyelet.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2010, 07:01 PM   #94
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Fairfield, California
Posts: 418
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jacob300zx View Post
Cost is relative to what the performance after a revalve will be.
I'm mostly just playing with you, Jacob, but if you could get in there I don't think you'd find much to work with. I could be wrong, but I don't think I'd want to risk an eye to find out.

As Wannafbody points out in the Raceland Revealed thread over at Clubroadster, there are better solutions at a similar price. Funny how some of the boys over at CR didn't cotton well to that notion.
Thucydides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2010, 12:09 AM   #95
Newb
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 25
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcarp22 View Post
I'd need the dimensions of the raceland inserts. Knowing my luck upgraded inserts don't exist for whatever the size is.



I'm thinking more along the lines of using the raceland housings instead of something like a ground control sleeve.
I would bet money that inserts do exist. On a shock this crap they aren't going to custom engineer inserts, they are going to use something they already make. I'm sure they're either exact sub-OEM replacements for MKII Golfs or something like that. Good lucking finding out WTF they used though. If you can figure it out, and the insert fits a decent car like a Golf, you would have some really good options out there. If it only fits some Korean POS that nobody races, you might be screwed.

The idea of people buying this garbage and then spending as much money again on upper mounts, replacement rear springs, FCM bump stops, etc trying to make them serviceable is totally illogical, IMO. The idea of doing all that plus replacing the crap dampers with something decent...well, you'd finally have the performance, but I'm not sure that's going to make $$$ sense.

And why would you not used a GC sleeve? You just want your shock to weigh twice as much or something?

Sure my Illuminas w/GC cost 3x as much as Rocket Shocks, but I get a reliable shock from a real company (ie: they actually sent me dyno chart, I know their address, etc) a lifetime guarantee on springs that I actually know the rate of, and adjusters made from aluminum that has a very low chance of being filled with bubbles and crumbling to dust after a winter drive. The Rocket Shocks might be prettier, but that's about it.
SignOfZeta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2010, 12:15 AM   #96
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 951
Total Cats: -252
Default

Even if you find an insert that fits the Rocket shocks case chances are that it wouldn't have the right valving for a Miata. Buying the inserts and having them revalved would probably cost more than getting Bernie to revalve a set of Bilsteins.
wannafbody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2010, 08:16 AM   #97
90R
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 278
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wannafbody View Post
Even if you find an insert that fits the Rocket shocks case chances are that it wouldn't have the right valving for a Miata. Buying the inserts and having them revalved would probably cost more than getting Bernie to revalve a set of Bilsteins.
have you had your tunnel vision evaluated by a doctor yet?

why don't you explain why Miata valving is so specific......a valve is a valve
90R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2010, 08:27 AM   #98
Newb
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 25
Total Cats: 0
Default

He does have a point. There might be a reason the rebound is utter crap in the rear. That might be the best insert they could get in that size. Even a high performance shock made for that same application might still have a similar tendency.
SignOfZeta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2010, 09:33 AM   #99
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,838
Total Cats: 1,787
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 90R View Post
have you had your tunnel vision evaluated by a doctor yet?

why don't you explain why Miata valving is so specific......a valve is a valve
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2010, 09:39 AM   #100
90R
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 278
Total Cats: 0
Default

So Brain, why are you too good to drive a car with Racelands? you were offered.
90R is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Project Gemini - Turbo Civic on the Cheap Full_Tilt_Boogie Build Threads 57 07-19-2017 05:11 PM
Why dynos should plot Torque divided by MAP JasonC SBB ECUs and Tuning 11 10-27-2015 05:56 PM
Time to start learning and play with tuning The Gleas MEGAsquirt 3 10-01-2015 10:30 AM
3rd Time's a Charm...hopefully. zephyrusaurai Meet and Greet 2 09-28-2015 11:59 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:23 PM.