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Monk 01-16-2015 10:19 AM

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It's the MT.net way.
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Jeffbucc 01-16-2015 10:58 AM

I've already warned my employees about the shenanigan classified boxes from the "Miata website" I may get, and my bakery address is the only way I can guarantee I'll get it so...do your worst?

Plus they don't get to say shit, I just spent $2k on Panini Presses to make them happy.

Monk 01-16-2015 11:00 AM

This is going to be fun. If only Genesplicer lived closer to me...

18psi 01-16-2015 01:42 PM

Plust they already know all miata owners get their paninis pressed regularly

turbofan 01-16-2015 02:05 PM

:laugh: oh dear. My wife is going to start asking questions

rleete 01-16-2015 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1197086)
I absolutely hate wiring, and do as little of it as possible these days.

*then proceeds to go install an outside outlet for the next 3 hours*

(yes, I am slow, and it's freaking cold out)

Jeffbucc 01-16-2015 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1197180)
Plust they already know all miata owners get their paninis pressed regularly

Vlad's safe word is "allofit".

EO2K 01-16-2015 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1197192)
:laugh: oh dear. My wife is going to start asking questions

She doesn't already?

aidandj 01-16-2015 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1197092)
No purchase required, just PM me your address. Umm... your personal address. You aren't going to want a package from me to end up at your bakery.

Uh oh, my first miataturbo.net package, I've been dreaming about this day since I first joined.


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1197230)
She doesn't already?

Like a week ago my girlfriend saw one of the emails that said turbo kitten is watching you test compression and I got a I'm gonna kill you look and a "who the fuck is turbokitten". That could have ended worse lol.

turbofan 01-16-2015 03:43 PM

lol... no not many, surprisingly. That will change if she sees the package before I do, which she likely will....

Jeffbucc 01-16-2015 04:48 PM

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Getting close! Still need to wire in my new EBC(old one wasn't working very well), get the oil cooler lines made, and get the bumper back on.

Radiator is filled up and installed. Bitch is huge!

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Still a tight fit, may trim the throttle body hose a little to pull it in.

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RC-1s mounted on the 6uls. I kinda like it with black wheels.

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Efini~FC3S 01-16-2015 08:20 PM

Black wheels are the best wheels

curly 01-16-2015 10:26 PM

Get that shit slammed and in the sun, stat.

revlimiter 01-18-2015 01:17 PM

You will never overheat again. Impressive rad and oil cooler sir!

Jeffbucc 01-18-2015 04:15 PM

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This is a fun ass day.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421615727

turbofan 01-18-2015 04:41 PM

Car looks perfect Jeff. Really like those black wheels on it too.

hornetball 01-18-2015 07:34 PM

Times? Vid?

OneTwo 01-18-2015 07:38 PM

Wow your car looks fantastic!

I vote for keeping the black wheels and adding wrinkle black powder coat on the exterior door handles.

Mobius 01-18-2015 09:46 PM

I vote for driving the everliving shit out of it and not worrying about the door handles.

Greasemonkey2000 01-18-2015 10:45 PM

If really looks fantastic!! I have tried reading thru your thread many times, still haven't gotten all the way thru it. :crx: Wish my hood vents would have turned out as well as yours.....

Corifto 01-19-2015 12:02 AM

Well folks, I'm going in. Got a few hours to spare, and I'm going to start on page 1.

I've heard great things, but 160 pages is intimidating.

turbofan 01-19-2015 12:35 AM

Totally worth it. Enjoy.

#remembertheppf

aidandj 01-19-2015 12:36 AM


Originally Posted by Corifto (Post 1197919)
Well folks, I'm going in. Got a few hours to spare, and I'm going to start on page 1.

I've heard great things, but 160 pages is intimidating.

Change your settings for more posts per page. Make it easier.

Corifto 01-19-2015 02:54 AM

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Well Im 50/161 pages done. Taking a break.

Me so far, as the car starts to be reassembled....


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Corifto 01-19-2015 06:34 AM

Alright, so I have made it to page 88. I definitely need the Fab9 intercooler in my life.


Make that 97.

105 pages, 2100 posts. I need to get off for a while and drive the hour home so I can go to sleep.

Jeffbucc 01-19-2015 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1197878)
I vote for driving the everliving shit out of it and not worrying about the door handles.

This. I'm not spending money on the car unless it is for reliability or performance(not hp).


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1197844)
Times? Vid?

Yup, just got some free time to. It was a long day. I got the bumper on and some tuning doing at 3am, took a couple hour nap, drove to the event, raced, drove home, and crashed for 12 hours. Had been up for 3 days at that point so I was wrecked.

Sadly I didn't get many runs. It was still worth going, but since it was the first event of the year we had 130 cars show up. The entire corvette club was there to get their 2 races a year in to keep their membership valid, and then a bunch of new scca members as well.

I was told it is always like this at the first event, and then it goes back down to normal attendance afterwards.

Since there were so many cars, and I was so tired, I only too part in the morning session. If I would have stayed till the 2nd heat, I would have been there till 7pm, and I knew I'd be too tired to drive back.

The car performed perfectly though. The new boost controller is leaps and bounds better than my old one, and the car built boost immediately. I detuned it to 12 psi and I think I like the car better at that power level(even for daily driving). More usable power, less spinning rubber.

The tires too...hot damn, the RC-1s are so amazing. At previous autocross sessions, I was unable to use the throttle through any longer sweepers due to it wanting to break lose, but I was able to modulate the throttle through the corners so effortlessly.

They would grip so hard through the corners that even when I would start sliding they would maintain grip through the slide...does that make sense? Hard to explain. Their slip feedback and grip threshold are a beautiful thing. I was running 36 up front and 37 in the back and it worked great.

My best time was a 50.33. I think the best time of the day was a monster 450hp STI with a shitload done to it. He ran a 45.88 I believe. So not to bad in my opinion, for my driving level. If I would have had more runs I could have easily hit a 48 second run.

Here's the video of the 50.33 time. It is funny how slow or undramatic (in my eyes) it makes it look.

I think the car is finally ready for the track.


turbofan 01-19-2015 03:54 PM

Lookin good Jeff. Definitely looked like the car had more in it and you'd have improved considerably with more sleep and more runs!

hornetball 01-20-2015 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1198066)
I was told it is always like this at the first event, and then it goes back down to normal attendance afterwards.

Autocrosses are like health clubs?


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1198066)
They would grip so hard through the corners that even when I would start sliding they would maintain grip through the slide...does that make sense? Hard to explain.

This is the whole point. This is where you need to operate. You need to get there, stay there and be able to control it. This is also why R-comps are normally not recommended until a lot of experience is gained. But, like I said earlier, the RC-1 has a big learning plateau in this area. Enjoy.

Here's some light reading: Slip, Grip and Driving Faster - General Talk - TrackJunkies.Org


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1198066)
Here's the video of the 50.33 time. It is funny how slow or undramatic (in my eyes) it makes it look.

I think the car is finally ready for the track.

People keep inviting me to autocross, but the more I see videos like this the less interested I am (I'm sure I'm being close-minded). That's not even a complete warmup lap. Your first real track day is going to be an eye opener.

ofspunk7 01-20-2015 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1198380)
People keep inviting me to autocross, but the more I see videos like this the less interested I am (I'm sure I'm being close-minded). That's not even a complete warmup lap. Your first real track day is going to be an eye opener.

My introduction to the track was a driving school / track day with our local BWM club. After that experiance I am 100% with you. I don't see the draw of 1 - 2 mintues of driving. Driving School Track Days and Track Days seem to have so much more bang for you buck. It usually takes me 2 / 3 laps before I really start to improve on my mistakes and find my good lines. I enjoy 15 - 25 mins for a session to feel like I am really learning the car. I am sure AutoX is fun, but multiple laps in a continous fashion is how I learn.

EO2K 01-20-2015 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1198380)
People keep inviting me to autocross, but the more I see videos like this the less interested I am (I'm sure I'm being close-minded). That's not even a complete warmup lap. Your first real track day is going to be an eye opener.

I stopped autocrossing after I did my first track day. Waking up at 5am on a Sunday and paying money to stand in the freezing cold all morning shagging cones to get 5~6 1 minute runs in the afternoon. Meh.

The AutoX group was also INCREDIBLY clickish. It was like highschool all over again.

But hey, to each their own.

turbofan 01-20-2015 02:34 PM

I'm looking forward to trying it out. I think I'll feel more comfortable pushing the car harder because lower speeds. We'll see.

darkcambria 01-20-2015 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1198454)
I'm looking forward to trying it out. I think I'll feel more comfortable pushing the car harder because lower speeds. We'll see.

This is the reason that I continue to autox. It provides an environment that I can push the car and explore (and exceed) the limits without going off track or into the side of the hill. Its also a closer than the nearest track and I can attend much more than track days.

That said, I have much more fun hill climbing.

Jeffbucc 01-20-2015 03:36 PM

$40 for a cheap day of being able to run my car as hard as I want without repercussion is worth it to me.

The Vegas crowd doesn't take it too seriously, which is nice. Everyone is just there to have a fun day and hang out with fellow enthusiasts.

I mostly enjoy taking a passenger ride in different cars. Fun to experience a lot of different models at their limit.

ofspunk7 01-20-2015 03:48 PM

I actually prefer our low speed technical tracks vs the local tracks that have 110+ MPH turns. I started on a high speed track my first day out. It was a lot of fun.
BIR
http://www.triumph675.net/forum/atta...8&d=1365444574

However, there is a local track that top speed in my WRX was more 50mph to 60mph with a lot more turns. That is the track I have the most fun at. It also is laid out so that the course is always different.
DCTC (elevation changes are hard to see from this pic, but they add to the fun)
This is a technical college.
http://www.roadclosedracing.com/drup...C%20Aerial.png

Granted I also have the opportunity to host track days there for my buddies shop. Our track nights were $60 for the night for DCTC. I believe this year we are going to be in the $80 range. Drivers would get 4+ 25 min session and we would try to allow 5 - 6 cars on the track at a time. All depending on skill level.

What is my point?
There may be track options out there that are unknown to you. I had no idea there was a technical college within 30 mins of the city with a track.

hornetball 01-20-2015 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1198454)
I'm looking forward to trying it out.

This is the attitude I need. The best part of Auto-X seems to be the social aspect. Would be a real turn-off if it's cliquish. Jeff seems to have found a good group.

aidandj 01-20-2015 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1198454)
I'm looking forward to trying it out. I think I'll feel more comfortable pushing the car harder because lower speeds. We'll see.

I need to do this too. Damn school is always in the way. Let me know when you go to your first Auto-x I'll join you as a newb.

turbofan 01-20-2015 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1198499)
This is the attitude I need. The best part of Auto-X seems to be the social aspect. Would be a real turn-off if it's cliquish. Jeff seems to have found a good group.

I found the track group to be extremely cliquish as well. Anytime fanboyism comes into play that's going to happen.


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1198501)
I need to do this too. Damn school is always in the way. Let me know when you go to your first Auto-x I'll join you as a newb.

I did the open autocross thing at miller motorsports park in the GTO and it was an absolute riot, but I could do a LOT more runs. Shorter track and not overly competitive. We got like 12 runs I think in .... less than 3 hours.

I plan to be there in March... I think it's March 28... dammit that's a Saturday. Won't be there unless they have a Sunday run as well. Not completely sure what I'll be driving but I was offered the chance to drive a local's car and might very well do that.

aidandj 01-20-2015 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1198506)
I plan to be there in March... I think it's March 28... dammit that's a Saturday. Won't be there unless they have a Sunday run as well. Not completely sure what I'll be driving but I was offered the chance to drive a local's car and might very well do that.

Saturday is out for me too, let me know if you find a sunday, you could drive mine too if you wanted to.

Jeffbucc 01-20-2015 04:09 PM

You don't need to do much to go to one. We have a highschool kid who shows up in a bone stock Honda Fit with All-Seasons and he drives that thing like he stole it. We love it when he lines up because it is so awesome to see a Fit being tossed like it's a sports car.

Jeffbucc 01-20-2015 04:11 PM

Also we usually get 12-14 runs in. Having as many cars as we did is definitely rare.

ofspunk7 01-21-2015 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1198509)
You don't need to do much to go to one. We have a highschool kid who shows up in a bone stock Honda Fit with All-Seasons and he drives that thing like he stole it. We love it when he lines up because it is so awesome to see a Fit being tossed like it's a sports car.

We had a fit come out to one of our last events. He was running in the A Class (advanced). It was awesome to see him overtake STI's, WRX's and RX-7s on the track. No one in his class could pass him.

bigllama 01-21-2015 12:28 PM

Aidan and Ed you both need to go to the Portland Historic Races and use the in field auto-x course. I usually volunteer to help set it up with a friend that runs the mini event, and the course is usually a mix of high speed slalom with tight decreasing radius turns that require good grip and brake modulation.

The best part: runs are $1, the entry is included in your ticket to the venue, and you don't have to shag any cones.

The worst part: you have to wait until July 10th this year

Bonus: Jay Leno is supposed to bring something interesting this year. Two years ago it was a 1958 Mercedes race team bus.

2015 Portland Vintage Racing Festival | SVRA

EO2K 01-21-2015 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by bigllama (Post 1198761)

Ok, now THAT looks cool. Is it worth getting me off my fatass and driving to Portlandia?

curly 01-21-2015 12:41 PM

THREAD DRIFT!

Mike is that the one where the entire course is lined with cones? I think Martin took Laz there last year, looked really fun. Gave you an introduction to AutoX without having to memorize or think about a course.

bigllama 01-21-2015 01:00 PM

Worth the 11 hour drive? Depends on how much of a vintage race car geek you are.

Worth going to from the Pacific North west (3-4 hour drive)? Absolutely.

The course is lined with lime and has many, many, many cones (we don't want our volunteers getting bored in the hot sun). You won't get lost. Last year I borrowed an 800 hp cobra kit car that was visiting to "test" the course for speed and car width.

There is such a thing as too much power.

Jeff, sorry for the continuation of off topic posts, but since your build is essentially done...

turbofan 01-21-2015 01:28 PM

^Thanks for the info Miq, that sounds absolutely awesome. I'll be there.

Corifto 01-21-2015 08:04 PM

Page 139. Should finish later tonight.

Jeffbucc 01-21-2015 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by bigllama (Post 1198782)
Jeff, sorry for the continuation of off topic posts, but since your build is essentially done...

Drift away. Car Build has been done for a while. Just small updates as I pour more money into it.

aidandj 01-21-2015 10:58 PM

I will be there too. Sounds epic.

Corifto 01-22-2015 08:31 AM

Well, I'm done. Fully read, post by post. Such an amazing build Jeff. I hope to somehow see it some day.

Given I'm only in a parts buying stage right now, I've definitely added some things to my list/plans, including the Fab9 intercooler, zerks, and potentially some zinc-plated bolts. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.



Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1197922)
Totally worth it. Enjoy.

#remembertheppf

So did I miss something that happened? I remember seeing how clean it was, but don't remember anything else happening to it.

hornetball 01-22-2015 08:42 AM

He friggin' polished it. A POLISHED PPF. The only one in existence.

Corifto 01-22-2015 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1199116)
He friggin' polished it. A POLISHED PPF. The only one in existence.

Lol ok, I definitely stared at that picture for a very extended period of time. Your #remembertheppf always worried me, thinking somewhere i was bound to see its demise.

Jeffbucc 01-22-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Corifto (Post 1199112)
Well, I'm done. Fully read, post by post. Such an amazing build Jeff. I hope to somehow see it some day.

Glad you enjoyed it, mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned, wanted to make an enjoyable build thread. Just don't go full OCD like me and I'm sure your car will still be great.


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1199116)
He friggin' polished it. A POLISHED PPF. The only one in existence.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421940170
#Miataroadsterswagger

*looking back I have no god damn idea what I was thinking

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421940116

Braineack 01-22-2015 10:59 AM

how long did it take polishing that and not driving this beast?


:P

Jeffbucc 01-22-2015 11:13 AM

An hour? Somewhere around there. I have a really nice random orbital buffer that I used in conjunction with a sanding pad and a microfiber pad w/ aluminum polish.

Too much time was spent not driving the car though, agreed.

turbofan 01-22-2015 02:36 PM

You know, I don't blame you. I was under my car last night taking the ppf bolts out and removing the wiring that's attached to it. It's a nice hunk of aluminum, and you had spit-shined everything else under there. Since you had the tools, what's an hour to make it perfect?

Is it bad that I can see your 'logic'?

Braineack 01-22-2015 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1199173)
Too much time was spent not driving the car though, agreed.

:pitlab:

Jeffbucc 01-22-2015 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1199286)
Is it bad that I can see your 'logic'?

No, it just means I've slowly changed your ability to think rationally over the time you have spent reading this build thread.

It is a slow yet effective virus.

:rofl:

Corifto 01-22-2015 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1199149)
Glad you enjoyed it, mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned, wanted to make an enjoyable build thread. Just don't go full OCD like me and I'm sure your car will still be great.




https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421940170
#Miataroadsterswagger

*looking back I have no god damn idea what I was thinking

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421940116

Well it turned out great. I don't have much polishing experience, so I doubt I'll do the PPF, but I definitely plan on doing the Fab9 intercooler and a few other things I've seen on yours, rather than cheap out in other places.

I don't have garage space, and probably won't when I first get the car, so I won't be able to go too crazy for a while.

Maybe do yours a little backwards. Running and driving, and then clean it later on.

Jeffbucc 01-24-2015 04:23 AM

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Well...there goes my weekend of fun.

Took my dad for a spin for his first time, just in case I crashed on the trip to SoW. Wasn't driving very hard(12 psi) and as we were 3 blocks from home I suddenly lost all boost pressure and looked behind me and I was crop dusting the entire road.

Literally couldn't see the road there was so much smoke. So I pulled over, and checked everything...no leaks, nothing to see. no bad noises while idling though so I figured it was safe to limp it home just being gentle.

Blew my oil seals in my CHRA and some how my bearings are pretty nasty sounding. Not sure how I avoided contacting the wheel with the turbo housing wall, but lucky me I guess.

My dad and I were laughing about how fortuitous my luck was that it happened the night before I drove out, rather than in the middle of the damn desert on the side of the road.

My pops in a haze of smoke laughing at how it failed on his first ride.

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Just some of the oil I found past the oil seals.

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Shaft play(it was this bad prior to removing 1-2 housing bolts)



I'm weirdly not even mad. Guess I'm more thankful that this happened prior to the trip, and not during.

-TSE inconel hadn't budged a MM
-All CHRA bolts were tight
-no blockage in oil feed or oil return lines

How the hell did this happen besides Murphey's Law?

Now what do I replace this thing with....I'd like this in the new turbo:
-faster spool
-V-bands...everywhere(I'm done messing with hard to reach bolts)
-total hp output isn't important as I have come to find the car more enjoyable at 12 psi.


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