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borka 08-10-2017 12:38 AM

Which tracks are you planning to attend?

I am in Jacksonville and usually goto the FIRM in Starke, FL. they have open track days once a month, good price ($200) and LOTS of track time.

last time i been there, i went through 2 FULL tanks of gas and over 120 miles of on track time, they had about 15 cars show up and just did open track all day instead of groups.

miataman04 08-10-2017 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by TonyMontana (Post 1432919)
Went ahead and paid to become a supporter of the site. Pretty much all my thoughts, ideas, and plans have come from reading other's threads here so I figured I should give back for those helping me along here. My stupid ass wouldn't be this far without everyone's input.


Totally, this site has been a big help for me too. :party:

TonyMontana 08-11-2017 07:18 PM

A couple new parts showed up...part of my turbo setup from TSE. Still awaiting the rest of the kit which I believe Andrew said would be available early September. Also ordered a TSE radiator. Excited for the parts to show up...the wait continues. Going to pick up the BMW transmission tomorrow. Found a 80K mile one for 275$.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0e5563779c.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5998266c10.jpg

TonyMontana 08-14-2017 09:27 PM

Picked this up today for 275$. Out of a Z3 with 80K miles. Not a small initial investment but nice that the transmissions are easy to find and cheap as shit to replace. Plan to clean it up tomorrow.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...57fd9fa78f.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1961d4ccbc.jpg

TonyMontana 08-17-2017 08:39 PM

Sandblasted Intake Manifold
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...64c37c4e9f.png

Stage 2 Port and Polish - Sexy

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...590a103cbf.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bfb19811b0.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...188b3cc92c.jpg

18psi 08-17-2017 08:45 PM

I'm kinda bummed you're doing all this great work to a turdy head and IM

TonyMontana 08-17-2017 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1434559)
I'm kinda bummed you're doing all this great work to a turdy head and IM

I thought about it...reality is for now its fine. I know based on the other parts I'm buying it seems odd but for now it'll work for me. Plus it'll leave me something to upgrade in the future. Im sure when i explode this motor ill do a full VVT build with a flattop manifold, cams, and the like. Im the typical get bored with something and need to upgrade so that'll be next.

18psi 08-17-2017 09:31 PM

Oh yeah I'm sure it will make great power either way, and if you plan to upgrade in the future anyway I guess carry on :)

thumpetto007 08-17-2017 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by TonyMontana (Post 1434555)

Cant MUCH more material be taken out of the center, leaving a "knife edge?" Any subaru pnp head I've seen (most mod knowledge is from subaru) has the knife thang hapnin

TonyMontana 08-17-2017 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1434574)
Cant MUCH more material be taken out of the center, leaving a "knife edge?" Any subaru pnp head I've seen (most mod knowledge is from subaru) has the knife thang hapnin

Probably on a full race head which the machine shop offered but I didn't opt for.

ridethecliche 08-17-2017 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by TonyMontana (Post 1434555)

:eek:

TonyMontana 08-18-2017 10:47 PM

Eventually Ill get to put all this new shit on the car. Just need a motor back...

Shiny new radiator from TSE and big fuel kit from FM.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...43d6529291.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3493794093.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1f80ad80ab.jpg

nigelt 08-19-2017 12:50 AM

I love this thread. I get giddy when I see there's an update. So much shiny goodness!
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...803585a5d9.jpg

sonofthehill 08-19-2017 12:34 PM

:rofl:

Me too. :)

Yuen74 08-19-2017 12:47 PM

Wow so clean! Good job!

ryansmoneypit 08-19-2017 02:41 PM

Deets on the sandblasted intake manifold. What media did you use? Dont end up like me.

TonyMontana 08-19-2017 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit (Post 1434862)
Deets on the sandblasted intake manifold. What media did you use? Dont end up like me.

When I pick it up from the machine shop Ill get more info. Per the website I get the pictures from it just says sandblasting...

Docterhow 08-19-2017 09:01 PM

And I thought I spent a good chunk of change on my build... I'm just waiting for you to get a VVT in your next update.

TonyMontana 08-19-2017 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Docterhow (Post 1434888)
And I thought I spent a good chunk of change on my build... I'm just waiting for you to get a VVT in your next update.

I started reading this website when I was 24 and was borrowing money like a mother fucker for school. Im 33 now so it's been a long wait to get here but I figured for me and my OCD if I was going to build the car I was going to do it the best I could. Its a fair bit of change but I figure its cheaper than drugs and women. Keeps me out of trouble.

thumpetto007 08-24-2017 03:19 AM


Originally Posted by TonyMontana (Post 1434894)
I figure its cheaper than drugs and women.

What kind of drugs/women we talkin? Cuz my cousin od'd on heroin, and he did a lot over 20 years, he estimated 100k on da big H.

I've spent at least 120k in 10 years on 5 cars.

Women, that's a diff story, you got 50 dolla suckies, all the way up to thousands per hour.

Cars (not exotics) are def cheaper than women

/bored, sorry lol

TonyMontana 08-24-2017 10:48 PM

So this happened

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...708e5f4746.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7aa6a1c323.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2054183ec9.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...062028cbe9.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...65059fbc47.jpg

nigelt 08-24-2017 11:08 PM

For the sweet love of all that is good and holy!

TonyMontana 08-29-2017 09:11 PM

Been busy at work these last few days and have had zero energy. Got the engine on the stand and am off tomorrow so hopefully will start putting it together. Got a little disappointing email that the transmission swap kit won't ship for like 3 weeks. Guess it doesn't totally matter since I don't have a manifold or downpipe yet. Still waiting for my upgraded rear axles to for the getrag diff.More shit showed up in the mail so guess I can show you all that.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f25dcb1069.jpg


13in SPAL fan with the mounting brackets. The brackets are nice. Should be able to make them work.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0fdf35682b.jpg

KMiata recommends replacing the detent pins on the ZF transmission so a known centering issue is resolved so ordered those. Also got the tool kit to make that an easier job. Also picked up a couple other parts to refresh the transmission while its off the car. Picked up a vacuum block too just to see if I can keep the various connections in the bay clean.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...29858e3549.jpg

Also picked up a 4 port boost solenoid. A dual port waste gate is on order so Ill see if I can make this all work lol. Also got a mounting bracket to mount it to the turbo which seems to work pretty well.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3fbfbd6f99.jpg

Im looking forward to the essential parts showing up so I can get all this stuff in the car. I guess overall its not the end of the world that things are trickling in. Im still learning as Im putting this all together so I think it takes 10 times longer than anyone here. I have to stop and read, stop more, read more....rinse and repeat. I just want this thread to be more about putting this shit together instead of a shopping list.

borka 08-29-2017 09:21 PM

much baller parts.

One small comment, seems you painted the mating surface for the water pump and gasket, keep an eye out for leaks around waterpump.

TonyMontana 08-29-2017 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by borka (Post 1436725)
much baller parts.

One small comment, seems you painted the mating surface for the water pump and gasket, keep an eye out for leaks around waterpump.


Thanks for noting that. Is this something that will for sure be a problem or can I leave it? The engine shop painted it for me.

18psi 08-29-2017 10:15 PM

it can be a problem. definitely not for sure

loving all the parts. never seen a mac valve mounted to the efr like that, pretty neat.
though I probably wouldn't mount it there (if for no other reason than looks lol)

karter74 08-29-2017 10:33 PM

Have a link to where you picked up the SPAL fan and brackets?

TonyMontana 08-29-2017 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by karter74 (Post 1436739)
Have a link to where you picked up the SPAL fan and brackets?

Amazon is your friend



Keith1054 08-29-2017 10:45 PM

Might want to rubber mount the solenoid valve. I had one rigidly mounted in my turbo M3 and it sounded like lifter tick. They can be fairly loud when they are cycling

Padlock 08-29-2017 10:47 PM

sub'd for reading material

KMiata 08-30-2017 01:34 PM

Subscribed, this going to be a really nice build.

Glad to see you have the tools for the detent pins already. Yeah, sorry we had a couple small delays on the trans parts, but we're getting close. Once you have everything in hand I think you'll be very pleased with the end result.

TonyMontana 08-30-2017 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by KMiata (Post 1436851)
Subscribed, this going to be a really nice build.

Glad to see you have the tools for the detent pins already. Yeah, sorry we had a couple small delays on the trans parts, but we're getting close. Once you have everything in hand I think you'll be very pleased with the end result.

Quality takes time...nothing wrong with that. Most certainly nothing to be sorry about. Looking forward to it. As stated reality is Im slow since this is my first time, so even if the parts showed up tomorrow it wouldn't matter since the the engine isn't together yet. Hopefully Im able put your product to good use.

TonyMontana 08-30-2017 09:33 PM

Went out to drill the oil pan and found the machine shop didn't give me back the bolts for the pan and noted I don't have the right size drill bit...kind of annoying. Also got the steering rack depowered and attached. Looks ok I guess...can't wait to see how fucked up the alignment is and how much I have to change shit. Wont lie...the steering is stiff as shit. The rack was already sorta depowered -- I just put the plugs in the rack. I torqued all the front suspension pieces to spec so not totally sure if this is what is supposed to feel like or what. When I go over to Shandelle's at some point I guess Ill just have to see...but right now with the car in the air and no wheels it feels awfully tight lol. Also got some other new things in the mail.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d65124e59c.jpg

Ive really been happy with the quality of 949 racing's stuff and this is no different. The pieces are top notch. Just a single hose sent so I may have to do some modifications to that for aesthetic reasons.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...13c0a40961.jpg

I got FM silicone intercooler piping as I saw in another build that they work with the TSE kit. I really like them. The quality is top notch. A risk i suppose but I think I can make them work. Also got a FM lower radiator hose.

Scaxx 08-31-2017 04:22 AM

The depowered rack took me a little getting used to but for me it was totally worth it. I'm on 245 vr1s and I did have to parallel park it one time which sucked but other than that it's been great. Feedback and feeling on track was totally worth it. I was on track in our lemons car this weekend with the power steering still in (fucking germans and their hydroboost bullshit) and the feedback was absolutely horrendous.

But yeah, it did take a little getting used to

sixshooter 08-31-2017 07:22 AM

Something is wrong. With the wheels off the ground my de powered steering can be spun like a top with one finger. Did you disassemble the rack at some point? I didn't.

Padlock 08-31-2017 07:58 AM

During reassembly, did you overtighten that "one bolt I don't have a good name for" that puts pressure on the rack against the pinion? that could make steering effort more difficult

I can spin my steering wheel easily with a finger when lifted off the ground.

concealer404 08-31-2017 09:42 AM

And did you actually depower it? Or just remove the the lines and cap it?

TonyMontana 08-31-2017 11:58 AM

So I just drained the fluid and put on the plugs. Sixshooter said his worked fine like this so I didn't go crazy with it. It seems fine when the tie rods are not attached but when I attached them it was balls stiff. Both spindles are stiff as shit too when I rotated them by hand before I ever put on the steering rack. I mean I used the factory torque specs on all bolts attaching the ball joints to the spindle but maybe I fucked it up and made them too tight. Its not super clear to me...

sixshooter 08-31-2017 02:24 PM

I didn't plug the holes. I put a hose between the two holes. The air has to be able to get out of it on one side and into it on the other side.

Sounds like you made an air compressor.

TonyMontana 08-31-2017 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1437090)
I didn't plug the holes. I put a hose between the two holes. The air has to be able to get out of it on one side and into it on the other side.

Sounds like you made an air compressor.

Figures...

What two holes are you referring to? I plugged 4 holes total...two on the body of the steering rack and two on the part where the shaft plugs in.

sixshooter 08-31-2017 04:27 PM

I left the hard lines on the rack. Looped the other two

concealer404 08-31-2017 04:32 PM

When you take it back off.... disassemble it and remove the seals.

sixshooter 08-31-2017 08:07 PM

I disagree. But I have a turbo and wheels that fit. : p

Padlock 09-01-2017 12:24 PM

plugging the 2 holes on the body of the rack with the seal still installed on the rack is going to give you a bad time... just spend the extra time and properly cut the seal out and all will be well with the world afterwords.

TonyMontana 09-01-2017 10:39 PM

Today was a little productive. Talked to Shandelle and apparently they are supposed to be snug. The upper ball joint on the tubular setup have a break in period. Also Im retarded and forgot to grease the bitches. I reinstalled the hard lines because frankly I'm a lazy sack and didn't have the energy to take the whole rack apart. The car had this setup before and the steering felt fine. Greasing the ball joints helped too. It is still stiffer than the 20 year old balljoints but I confirmed that this was normal.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e129f168c5.jpg

Spent the rest of the afternoon cleaning the transmission and doing the pin service. It looked like the Z3 it came out of had a leaking rear main seal because the thing was caked in oil. I spent several hours just cleaning it up. Overall it looks pretty good. Not new by any means but at least better than a black turd. Installed the metal pivot ball I picked up as well.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1da9258d9f.jpg

Lastly the pin service. Let me tell you what a mother bitch that is. For anyone doing this mod in the future brace yourself for the pain. I said many a swear word for this but at least its done.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...97b7493b11.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d0a3aea28e.jpg

Ive attached a few links that I found helpful so people don't have to go searching in the future. One is a website and the other a youtube video. The youtube video only was helpful for the 5th and reverse pins. The website was good for the other ones.


https://webspace.ringling.edu/~dplas...hift_pins.html

Glad that shit is over with...just painful as a mother fucker and really not super satisfying.

Sixshooter is gonna help be assemble the motor so I don't fuck that up royally so hopefully progress will continue over the weekend. Moving forward...just waiting for essential parts...

sixshooter 09-02-2017 08:27 AM

This is why you don't need to go to the trouble to remove the seals. Once you drain all the fluid out and loop the lines you can grab one of the wheels with one hand and turn the steering very easily. I made this shaky video just for you. Excuse the rusty wheels, I used to use Hawk pads.


TonyMontana 09-02-2017 08:28 AM

Yeah definitely not there yet...that move is a two hand job lol

TonyMontana 09-14-2017 10:50 PM

Quick update - With the help of Sixshooter beating the shit out of the car we were able to get the frame rails on the car.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...93be1ab81a.jpg

Hopefully the motor will go back together soon. I tried to get that done prior to the hurricane but the machine shop lost my oil pump bolts so I was pretty much halted on that. I ordered the replacements without issue and those were delayed because of the hurricane...frustrating. Hopefully they will be here tomorrow or Saturday so I can get the motor as much together as possible. Got some work done after the storm. Installed most of the big fuel kit. Wasn't terrible overall. I will say removing the old fuel lines sucked large balls and fitting the larger fuel lines between the tank and body required dropping the front of the gas tank which was awesome considering my tank is currently full. The install is pretty straight forward. Had to call FM because the directions they sent were old and they have changed the filter setup so the directions were not making sense. Overall I don't think it looks too bad. Drilling more holes in the floor to mount the larger fuel line.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ff265473a9.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c91c77a10e.jpg

Also found the only rust on the car during this install. The metal covers on the rear shelf were all rusted as were the screws. I ordered a replacement set with hardware off eBay from miatamecca. Nice seller and everything was as described. Have 2 of the 3 installed. Waiting to install the 3rd until I test the fuel pump and fuel system to ensure there are no leaks.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...243acb21a5.jpg

Hopefully this weekend I can get the motor mostly together. The wait continues. Im at 2 months on my TSE order and still no manifold, DP, WB O2, or ECU. To distract myself I have picked out seats for the car...working on picking the harnesses and then I will place my order. I know the updates suck balls at the moment. Hopefully they will pick up very soon. Things that Im expecting are receiving the remainder of my turbo setup, the transmission swap kit, and the rear subframe adapted for the Getrag diff install. It'll be great track weather here in like 3 weeks so I want to get this bitch rolling so I can get to some events this season.

miataman04 09-15-2017 12:48 PM

I can't stand waiting on stuff. I feel your pain.

nigelt 09-28-2017 11:10 PM

Any more sweet parts show up? Is there more stuff in your car now?

TonyMontana 09-28-2017 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by nigelt (Post 1442714)
Any more sweet parts show up? Is there more stuff in your car now?

Small shit has been randomly showing up. Picked up LS coils and a SADFAB bracket. The crank angle sensor showed up since I have a 95...wasted lots of time dicking around with the ATI damper. That thing was a pain in my ass. In theory I should have the transmission setup soon and my rear axles for the getgrag setup. My ECU showed up...MS3 with a 4 bar MAP sensor. Big Fuel Kit is mostly installed -- aside from the motor parts. Brand new hose kits for the engine bay also arrived. I got another delay from TSE--manifold and downpipe now won't be ready until end of October. Is this shit normal? Over 2 months for a cast manifold and downpipe? Anywho heres a pic of the engine as it sits. I won't put it in the car until I have a manifold and as much mounted as I can. I just prefer the access since Im learning. Makes it easier on me.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...084a165185.jpg

I have some shiny parts showing up this coming week so Ill be sure to post those when they arrive. The stuff i mentioned before is sorta dull so I didn't take tons of pictures. Just necessary shit. I'm hopeful that the pace will pick back up soon. Im not super patient so this is killing me.

nigelt 09-29-2017 01:04 AM

Looks good! TSE is worth the wait, and so much better to wait to get a part from a perfectionist than to get something suboptimal.

Scaxx 09-29-2017 02:51 AM

Unfortunate about the delay, but I agree it's worth the wait. There used to be crazy wait times on stuff like xidas, I think it took 4 months to get mine, but damn it was so worth it!

sixshooter 09-29-2017 06:57 AM

Take more pictures of the piles of brand new parts sitting in your house.

But seriously guys, Dr. Montana has done most of the assembly himself. Only the head and shortblock were done at the machine shop. He mated the two and did the balancer and timing belt for the first time ever without any help (I'm a bad friend). He just jumps in there.

I didn't ask, did the shop set up the valve lash or did you do that yourself?

TonyMontana 09-29-2017 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1442743)
Take more pictures of the piles of brand new parts sitting in your house.

But seriously guys, Dr. Montana has done most of the assembly himself. Only the head and shortblock were done at the machine shop. He mated the two and did the balancer and timing belt for the first time ever without any help (I'm a bad friend). He just jumps in there.

I didn't ask, did the shop set up the valve lash or did you do that yourself?

Lash was set at the machine shop. Per request here is some of the stuff just waiting to go on the car. I have other stuff showing up shortly as well. After the seats and harnesses are bought the extremely expensive purchases should slow down. Then just down to getting the bitch together.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...33585960f9.jpg

Fan mounted with the brackets...just need to dremel them now with the appropriate angle.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...554e43d792.jpg

Full hose kits from carbon miata. Seem like a nice complete kit. Interesting thing they shipped from China. Surprising I thought.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fd091802c8.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...da24aa856d.jpg

Everything for my coil setup. Got the coils off Amazon. Seem legit. Guess Ill find out. Got the harness off eBay...seems like a nice piece. Just have to figure out the cleanest way to wire the harness.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ce9e61e565.jpg

25 row Oil cooler from TSE -- Will figure out the mounting solution after the motor is in.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2ccbca0cf9.jpg

Gonna try and use these adapters for my sensor solution. Will use one right after the sandwich plate for oil temp. My TSE kit has a thermostatic sandwich plate so with this solution the temp will only register after the engine reaches operating temperature and it opens. Don't think this will be too big of a deal as this will mainly be important on the track. The smaller adapter I plan to sneak in between the TSE oil feed adapter and turbo oil line. Should be able to get an additional oil pressure sensor in this location.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f5a955b9c5.jpg

MS3 with 4bar MAP sensor and harness. Pretty sure I have no clue how this works. Should be fun.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...79f661a920.jpg

Innovate LC-2.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1a1171b9be.jpg

Turbosmart wastegate with extra 11psi spring.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7e6fda50b7.jpg

Aftermarket Crank Angle Sensor. Ordered a harness from TSE. One more thing to figure out.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7c277bfda9.jpg

Clutch kit for my Transmission Swap. Reservoir is rather large. That corner of the engine bay is going to be full of wilwoodness. So lots of things waiting to go on the car. I laugh sometimes with all the stuff that I have no idea how to make work. When everything is back together the gremlin search is going to be unreal but should be fun.

Scaxx 09-29-2017 02:42 PM

Marc (CarbonMiata) is located over in China, he does nice stuff though. I have a gauge cover my girlfriend bought me as a present and his rear flares on my car, both fit well with pretty minimal trimming. Much better fit than some of the AK stuff I picked up used.

nigelt 09-29-2017 03:21 PM

Does the BorgWarner turbo that comes in the TSE kit have an internal wastegate?

TonyMontana 09-29-2017 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by nigelt (Post 1442875)
Does the BorgWarner turbo that comes in the TSE kit have an internal wastegate?

Yes,

im going to try and figure out how to use a 4 port boost controller hence why I got the turbosmart actuator.

Mobius 09-29-2017 08:23 PM

Why an aftermarket crank angle sensor?

Nigel the EFR has everything builtin. Wastegate and an internal recirc valve.

TonyMontana 09-29-2017 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1442946)
Why an aftermarket crank angle sensor?

Nigel the EFR has everything builtin. Wastegate and an internal recirc valve.

1995 didn't come with one so just had to get one for my trigger wheel...it's nothing special just not an OEM one.


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