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18psi 04-19-2017 01:31 AM

Great. Now I gotta put cardboard into my rear window so you don't x-ray me and/or blind me if you ever drive behind

ridethecliche 04-19-2017 03:36 AM

Are those the lights that you were trying to sell for eleventy brazillian dollars?


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1407162)
Great. Now I gotta put cardboard into my rear window so you don't x-ray me and/or blind me if you ever drive behind

Chemtrails bruhhh.

thumpetto007 04-19-2017 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1407162)
Great. Now I gotta put cardboard into my rear window so you don't x-ray me and/or blind me if you ever drive behind

Actually, the cutoff is really good for oncoming traffic. I aligned them according to legal requirements.

There is a little embossed square in the center of each light portion on the front of the headlight housing. On my car this is 23 inches from the ground. The cutoff for the beam pattern must not be higher than 23 inches at 25 feet.



Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1407170)
Are those the lights that you were trying to sell for eleventy brazillian dollars?

Yes. :)

18psi 04-19-2017 10:26 AM

I bet they can see your car from outer space

ridethecliche 04-19-2017 12:59 PM

Even all the way from Uranus!

thumpetto007 04-29-2017 06:33 PM

Little update... I attempted to "tune" today. Basically just fumbled with tuner studio, cursed alot at the serial to usb cord until everything connected with ms3basic, then freaked out some more.

The car was running pretty rich for a while, (11.5-11.8:1 wot at 7100rpm) and I just kept making small percent changes to Fuel VE Table until i got 12.9-13.0:1 wot at 7100rpm Feels stronger now, but who knows. I couldn't figure out how to find the virtual dyno software.

Then, I changed my vvt table from this...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...72f51d4126.jpg


To this...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f95baaf900.png

And holy shit that made a huge difference in low end acceleration. I don't really understand how, but now the car can be on cruise control in 6th at 40mph. Accelerating requires much lower throttle inputs than before. Really staggering. I probably messed something up.

ridethecliche 04-29-2017 06:49 PM

Why did you remove the 0's from the lowest load rows?

thumpetto007 04-29-2017 07:42 PM

No idea, i just copied that table from someone who posted it in the vvt tuning thread.

Was I not supposed to change those 0's?

18psi 04-29-2017 07:51 PM

the car will buck on cold starts now. that's why I don't run advance that low or that early

ridethecliche 04-29-2017 07:59 PM

I was mostly wondering how it would affect things re:engine braking. I.e. if you step off the gas during cruise. That's a pretty low load and not really something you'd see out of vacuum, no?

I have no experience tuning VVT. I just thought that similar logic would apply to this as it does to spark advance.

thumpetto007 04-29-2017 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1409933)
the car will buck on cold starts now. that's why I don't run advance that low or that early

Oh. Well, it already wasn't smooth, so maybe I wont notice. Otherwise, I can just take it back out? Having too much advance down low doesnt damage anything, does it?

yossi126 04-30-2017 03:30 PM

You need a 0 before 1500 because anyway it doesn't work lower than that, and you can go up to 40 deg.
It really is best to tune it on a dyno though.

thumpetto007 04-30-2017 04:42 PM

So, just to clarify, I can try values of up to 40 on that vvt table? I will take out values before 1500.

Also, is there some way to get ms3 basic to hold a specific afr? It doesn't follow the afr table, but I think thats because I adjust the Fuel VE table (which i dont really know what this does, V just told me to alter this when adjusting fuel for different altitudes, so that's what I've been using)

Should I be setting the afr table to the values I want to target, and not using fuel ve table? Can I set an afr hard limits at various rpms?

Is there a graph where I can mess with the altitude fuel correction? I vaguely remember seeing a curve that could be adjusted.

Sometimes the afrs keep climbing and other times (same altitude, and settings, just a different pull) they stay rock solid.

ridethecliche 04-30-2017 09:20 PM

Don't the AFR's depend on where in the VE table you are when you do said pull?

18psi 04-30-2017 09:39 PM

dude you need to start reading up on ms tuning and don't touch your car until you actually know what you're doing. no offense of course, but you're seriously just pecking away and copy/pasting stuff into tables that you don't even have a shread of a clue of how they work or what they do. and that's how people blow stuff up and/or damage their engine

afm 04-30-2017 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1410088)
Also, is there some way to get ms3 basic to hold a specific afr? It doesn't follow the afr table, but I think thats because I adjust the Fuel VE table (which i dont really know what this does, V just told me to alter this when adjusting fuel for different altitudes, so that's what I've been using)

In the theme of what Vlad is saying, read up on "Incorporate AFR Target." If you don't have this on or if you turned this off, changing the AFR table won't change fueling at all.

The problem is that lots of settings interact, so you need to learn a fair amount about the whole picture to make constructive changes.

18psi 04-30-2017 10:03 PM

his car should have it on. I tuned it a year or more ago. it ran flawlessly here in Sacramento. his troubles are from taking it to 7000+ elevation and not making any adjustments

thumpetto007 04-30-2017 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by afm (Post 1410154)
The problem is that lots of settings interact, so you need to learn a fair amount about the whole picture to make constructive changes.


Ooooooooh. Ok. Thanks guys.

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 12:52 PM

Update!

LOVE THE MANUAL STEERING!!!!

Turns out I had over 8 degrees of caster, so that was why my steering effort was extreme.

Just got an alignment today with regular (i was running extended length) ball joints, and my caster is now 4.5.

I'm actually surprised how light the steering is without ps.

Even parking lot stuff is very manageable now.

YAY!

turbofan 05-09-2017 01:15 PM

Glad to hear it. Caster makes all the difference.

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 01:21 PM

^I think the steering will convince you to properly deflower your rack.

turbofan 05-09-2017 01:26 PM

eh, I'm happy with my setup, not worth the time/effort/cost/another alignment. Also... how would you know? you haven't driven my car remember? lol

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 01:29 PM

Ok, but fyi, no alignment needed if you remove the inner tie rods at the rack.

Only cost would be getting new tie rod captive washer/tab things.

turbofan 05-09-2017 01:31 PM

And having it welded. and a new rack if that gets botched up.

If it was a DD, sure i'd probably do it. But for what I use the car for, I have zero complaints on the steering, especially after this new alignment. Can't wait to get it on track.

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 01:43 PM

Oh yeah I forgot about the welding!

Me too, hope I can come with!

turbofan 05-09-2017 01:45 PM

We need to go to pahrump this summer before MRLS.

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 04:59 PM

Woah, never heard of that. pahrump Valley speedway?

turbofan 05-09-2017 05:01 PM

Yessir!

Edit: nope. it's the motorsports club I was thinking of. Not quite ready to dirt track this thing.

ridethecliche 05-09-2017 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1412551)
^I think the steering will convince you to properly deflower your rack.

Giggity

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 05:05 PM

did you see the 45k per year per person race track country club also in pahrump? wild lol. Dude is minting money.

icantlearn 05-09-2017 05:07 PM

This makes me want to depower my rack for all the steering feelz....

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 05:24 PM

In reality, its maybe 20% more road/tire feel, and maybe a few extra pounds steering effort, but 15 pounds off the car, lower parasitic drag on the engine...

I'm honestly shocked at how light the steering is, even in a higher speed corner. Just make sure your caster is under 5 and you will love it at all times.

turbofan 05-09-2017 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1412657)
did you see the 45k per year per person race track country club also in pahrump? wild lol. Dude is minting money.

Turns out, that's the one I was thinking of. I think they still do open track days... researching...

turbofan 05-09-2017 05:46 PM

Damn. Looks like they don't. Just a super expensive place to go play.

That's so frustrating.

"Take it to the track."
"Ok, i'll go to the track. How much does it cost?"
"That'll be $40,000 please, or only $3500 for the weekend."

:facepalm:

EDIT: never mind, they do!

https://www.motorsportreg.com/events...s-vegas-881632

turbofan 05-09-2017 05:51 PM

Course, I can't make it that weekend. Way too soon.

Oh well.

thumpetto007 05-09-2017 07:10 PM

Oh lol the speedway is a dirt track lol!

WOw that club track is sexy. Great looking turns

EO2K 05-09-2017 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by MiataMan00 (Post 1412659)
This makes me want to depower my rack for all the steering feelz....

Do it. Get a second rack though, that way you can always go back if you decide its not your cup of tea.

turbofan 05-09-2017 07:20 PM

Yeah, the track looks awesome.

Reasonably priced too. $225/day, or if you sign up for both days, only $350 for both days.

Hopefully they do the same event next year so i can go then.

thumpetto007 05-24-2017 03:42 AM

U bend intake "results"
 
Okaaayyy....

I was as scientific as possible. I had the custom intake ready to be installed, and a 10mm socket for r and r.

I did 6 base line VirtualDyno runs yesterday, and 4 baseline runs today(35*F colder today), numbers all over the place. (Anywhere between 105/94 to 112/100)

I installed the U bend intake on the side of the road, drove a bit to settle the IATs, and then made 3 back and forth passes. VD is all over the place, and within the same number range as stock intake. Totally inconclusive, and not even close to as precise as i need.

Absolutely accelerates harder. Feels like sea level now, and im at 6000feet. Pretty cool. Too bad the vd plots meant nothing (why i didnt post any)

I even used earplugs to mitigate intake sound influenced placebo effect.

Here is the almost finished result... 21inches from throttle plate to diameter increase within the air filter.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4df043813c.jpg
I still have to get a bung welded for the return intake breather, and insulate the coolant tube. The intake pipe just soaks up the coolant heat.

IATs with the new intake stabilized at 120*F while it was at 96*F with full oem intake.

I am surprised the car pulls harder even though IATs are much higher.

18psi 05-24-2017 10:44 AM

filter is way too small
I doubt it's flowing more than oem with that filter, and with higher ait's I doubt it's making more power, but if it feels faster then great, just kinda surprising

the bend radius looks good

where did you mount the AIT?

ridethecliche 05-24-2017 11:06 AM

https://i.imgur.com/WhdLtQY.jpg

That's what I'd done, except I tested with the stock airbox. VD showed a 5hp/5tq gain. I.e. within the margin of error. It definitely felt a bit better though. I stopped messing with it because Lars yelled at me for wasting time to do stupid shit when I should have been installing my turbo instead.

Also, you should really buy the MT 'town bicycle' turbo kit that's making the rounds right now. You can legitimately turn around and unload it for what you paid or a couple of hundred less and it should more than hold you over till you have the cash to build an engine on the side and pay for an EFR kit. Hell, there might be some used ones out by then. If the manifold worries you, just get it reinforced before you install it. I know that folks had figured out ways to do that.

Perfect is the enemy of good. And honestly, as Vlad will attest, if I haven't blown up my engine yet with a shitty tune, you should be just fine. Just start off with a baby wastegate and overboost protection on MS. You'll slap yourself for wasting all this time trying to figure out if you actually did gain an hp or not.

turbofan 05-24-2017 12:45 PM

Believe it or not, some folks actually like just goofing around chasing small improvements at MINIMAL COST, despite the time investment.

It's something of a foreign idea to me, but it's prevalent enough that it no longer surprises me. Marcello is enjoying tinkering and experimenting while spending almost no money to do so. It's fun for him.

18psi 05-24-2017 12:49 PM

True.

But if he spent the same amount of energy/time looking for a job, he'd probably have one by now. Or so I think

turbofan 05-24-2017 12:59 PM

That's another topic entirely and not relevant to this discussion.

18psi 05-24-2017 01:00 PM

hahaha ok I'll stop being a buzzkill

N/A powahhh bruhhh :D

thumpetto007 05-24-2017 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1416977)
But if he spent the same amount of energy/time looking for a job, he'd probably have one by now. Or so I think

100% correct

i have a shitty job right now, and Im making little attempts every couple of days to get a better one, but its hard for me to stay motivated when i keep getting denied basic 7-10 dollar an hour jobs.

so i tinker, and make "progress" that way!

i have a larger filter for a velocity stack coming eventually.

i had read emilios post and they found no change in numbers with a small filter vs a reall large one, but I do agree the one Im using looks pretty small.
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18psi 05-24-2017 01:34 PM

I'm sure the difference in your application is .001, so that sounds about right.

but hey, you're chasing that last .000001hp, so might as well do it right :D

ridethecliche 05-24-2017 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1416976)
Believe it or not, some folks actually like just goofing around chasing small improvements at MINIMAL COST, despite the time investment.

It's something of a foreign idea to me, but it's prevalent enough that it no longer surprises me. Marcello is enjoying tinkering and experimenting while spending almost no money to do so. It's fun for him.

I'm like that too, but it's a time thing too. At some point you have to look at how much you value your time for the application and your desired goals. At some point his frustration with the marginal gains will lead him to make drastic changes. He'll eventually stop deluding himself that the iota of change is drastic enough to make power like the car would at sea level when he's at 6k ft.


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1416977)
True.

But if he spent the same amount of energy/time looking for a job, he'd probably have one by now. Or so I think

Ugh. Sorry to hear about that Marcello. Good luck with the prospects. I'm sure we've all been there and it blows, but chin up and keep at it.
I had a year where I was injured and couldn't even get a call back from local restaurants to bus tables. My mom is a mid level (MBA) that was caught in the sea of lay offs and the sea of new grads with that. She applied bloody everywhere and finally got a job in a place where she loves to work at a level that she's used to working with an international company. She responded to a random ad she saw online (or in the newspaper). When I was talking to her the other day she told me that she did it even though she didn't think anything would come of it because 'why the hell not'.

Good luck.

tehzack 05-24-2017 07:52 PM

This guys results fall in line with the established intake doctrine.

https://www.trackjunkies.org/topic/3...in-a-99-miata/

zellers88 05-24-2017 08:40 PM

I modeled mine after Crusher. You have to make custom top radiator mounts to space it out a bit and widen the notch in the core support but it's pretty easy. I put the filter to the side of the bumper mouth so it wasn't in direct spray of rain. Couldn't tell you if it made much of a difference, was still tuning the MS at the time.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f0059bed65.jpg

yossi126 05-25-2017 05:07 AM

Make a diy Randall with the stock box. And compare the two, for science.

icantlearn 05-25-2017 04:48 PM

except that requires a hole in the firewall.

EO2K 05-25-2017 05:04 PM

Are we all just going to ignore that sticker? :likecat:

18psi 05-25-2017 05:27 PM

No. Saw it, smiled, was too lazy to comment :likecat:

thumpetto007 05-25-2017 05:43 PM

Oh i saw the sticker, but i was too dumb to figure out what it meant when I first saw it.

it has been occupying my subconcious for a day now, and I finally understand.

its kind of like "miata" except if a cartoon cat said it. Meow-ta

zellers88 05-25-2017 06:39 PM

It's a custom sticker I designed and had a local vinyl guy cut a half dozen of. I need to get a new radiator panel made up so I can add it back again. Works well on helmets too.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...89fd681f14.jpg

thumpetto007 05-25-2017 09:00 PM

Not sure if this uploaded...

a little video of how slow my car still is.

intake is a rowdy binch!


Oh my. The intake is WAAAAY louder in person. Like, you can barely hear it on the cell phone video, but it's far louder than the stock catless exhaust (which has a rattly resonation between 2.5k and 4k rpm)

patsmx5 05-25-2017 09:53 PM

Post your tune. Something is off I think, that is like 1.6 NA automatic slow from your video. Where you driving up a hill into a head wind or something? It sounds good though.

18psi 05-25-2017 09:57 PM

He's a very high elevation. Nothing wrong with his tune unless he screwed it up

patsmx5 05-25-2017 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1417387)
He's a very high elevation. Nothing wrong with his tune unless he screwed it up

Just from pausing the video, 25 to 55mph takes right around 6 seconds. What's the 0-60 if it's 6 seconds from 25 to 55? 10 seconds? I know at sea level a stock 99 is a lot faster than that.

EDIT: What elevation since you're saying that's the reason.


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