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hustler 04-15-2012 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 864644)
its getting leaner when you switch it on too...i realize the rpms dropped, but maybe add more fuel in higher MAP ac/idle areas

I tried adding fuel to those cells, advancing spark, retarding spark and I still get nothing. It really seems like when I adjust the PID control, nothing changes. Here's the latest MSQ if someone wants to look.

Also, I've been making these adjustments thinking that PID/IAC settings will "add airflow" rather than take it away assuming the idle screw permits the minimum airflow required to idle the car and the IAC/PID will add airflow to increase the idle speed. Is this correct?

hustler 04-17-2012 07:05 PM

How much Idle duty % is reasonable in the AC table. At about 65% duty it does much better than what everyone else is recommending which is more like 15-30%. At 65 percent the AC on/off rpm drop is only from 900-600 or so. With the 35% duty its going from 900-400 and usually dying.

hustler 04-17-2012 09:39 PM

WTF is up with the PID inconsistency with and without AC?

Bryce 04-17-2012 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 866027)
WTF is up with the PID inconsistency with and without AC?

I seem to get the same thing. Idles good without AC, turn AC on and it will oscillate like crazy. I haven't messed with it much though, too busy enjoying AC that doesn't stall the car.

hustler 04-17-2012 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by Bryce (Post 866065)
I seem to get the same thing. Idles good without AC, turn AC on and it will oscillate like crazy. I haven't messed with it much though, too busy enjoying AC that doesn't stall the car.

I don't have oscillation, I get random idle dip off over-run or with AC cycling. 75% of the time, it works.

Bryce 04-17-2012 11:36 PM

First-world problems.

Reverant 04-18-2012 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 865937)
How much Idle duty % is reasonable in the AC table. At about 65% duty it does much better than what everyone else is recommending which is more like 15-30%. At 65 percent the AC on/off rpm drop is only from 900-600 or so. With the 35% duty its going from 900-400 and usually dying.

The maximum I have ever needed on my car is 14%. However, your A/C system is probably different and may need more duty, depending on the refrigerant used and the compressor itself.

Braineack 04-18-2012 09:17 AM

i add 12.5% with a/c

y8s 04-18-2012 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 866081)
I don't have oscillation, I get random idle dip off over-run or with AC cycling. 75% of the time, it works.

my single-value AC idle-up duty is 3.1% and while it helps the initial rise, it's actually SLIGHTLY too high for steady state and the PID brings it down slightly. this results in a 3.1% decrease in idle duty when the AC switches off and can result in a dip because the idle drops to a tiny bit below the real value it needs to be at. Realistically it's not noticable but if I run more duty for AC, it'll dip when it shuts off.

As far as dipping at coast down, that may be your max decel load setting.

hustler 04-18-2012 11:50 AM

I'm a little torn on continuing to jack with it vs leave it and start over with the VVT engine swap.

So, any thoughts on what my CKP and CMP settings should look like for the VVT engine using the 2001 style sensors? I may start the swap next weekend if my turbo comes back for the green car.

y8s 04-18-2012 02:15 PM

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not sure if you're using ms3x hardware but this is a good starting point:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334772922

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334772922

Reverant 04-18-2012 02:18 PM

You will only need to switch from "4G63" to "Miata 99-04", under "Basic Setup" -> "Tach input/ignition settings".

Reverant 04-18-2012 04:16 PM

Took a quick vid of the A/C idle up on my own car today. This is as good as it gets.


Bryce 04-21-2012 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 866468)
Took a quick vid of the A/C idle up on my own car today. This is as good as it gets.


That's amazing! Have you posted your .msq anywhere? I'd love to see it.

2ndGearRubber 04-21-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 866468)
Took a quick vid of the A/C idle up on my own car today. This is as good as it gets.


Damn.......

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1335052592

Reverant 04-22-2012 03:14 AM

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If you turn up the volume, you can even hear the A/C compressor kicking in.

Le settings:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1335078804

hustler 04-22-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 866404)
You will only need to switch from "4G63" to "Miata 99-04", under "Basic Setup" -> "Tach input/ignition settings".

The only Miata settings I have in there are fro "Miata 99-00". My goal for today is figuring out how to wire-in the new 2001 coils and set them up.

Reverant 04-22-2012 01:50 PM

Correct, 99-00.

hustler 04-22-2012 02:42 PM

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Can someone help me out here? It appears that:
  • brw and brw/yel from 1994 goes to coil pack #1, brown goes to #2
  • 1994 blue and 2001blk/wht appear to be power from the ignition switch
  • 1994 black and 2001 black are GND
  • 1994 blk/wht was Jack Bower bomb diffused (cut because it's no longer driving a tach)

1994:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...3&d=1335120419
2001:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...4&d=1335120419
I found this thread on setting dwell at 5ms:
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-performance-56/stock-ign-dwell-01-a-55579/
What should my accel compensation and max spark duration be; 1.0 and .7? What about cranking dwell?

Thanks.

Reverant 04-22-2012 03:13 PM

Brown/yellow goes go coilpack #1 (which sparks cylinders 1 & 4). Brown goes to coilpack #2.

This is the same for both 94 and 01 coils. So that leaves black, which is ground for both 94 and 01, and then power, which is blue for the 94 and black/white for the 01.

Done.

I use 3.1ms for my 02 coilpacks. Spark is strong, no misfires, coilpacks are still alive 10 years after. Leave the rest alone.


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