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Someone who is at the extreme-left will perceive someone who is fairly objective and centrist to be "far to the right of me."
Someone who is at the extreme-right will perceive someone who is fairly objective and centrist to be "far to the left of me."
Of course, both of those statements are factually correct. But they presume the position of the observer to be the "true" position.
And that's an issue if you're trying to have rational discourse.
Going back to my earlier post, this is exactly the same as the "To a liberal, anything which you support is morally correct..." problem, just with a different color logo stuck on it.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the assertion is that it's fascist to mandate vaccines, yes? I fail to see how. Firstly, it meets none of the criteria that defines fascism which is by definition a far right political stance. But aside from that, mandatory vaccines have been established as constitutional since the early 1900s IIRC. Evidence and metrics demonstrate that the Covid-19 vaccine works. No, it doesn't prevent you from catching it. No, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it. Yes, it greatly lowers your odds of dying from it. If one wants to go live in the woods by themselves and not get ANY vaccines, that's fine but for those of us that understand that we live in a society and my right to swing my arms ends where it meets another's face, it's a no-brainer. I don't want to see anyone dying from Covid. I'm as sick of the toll it's taken on our lives and the economy as anyone else. But Covid isn't going to just magically go away. It's here, it's spreading, and it's potentially lethal to many people. Maybe YOU will be fine without the vaccine, but many others won't and I personally don't want that weighing on my conscience that I may have spread it to someone who died of it because I was so selfish as to not get a simple vaccination.
I grew up anti-vax. My parents were Christian Scientists. When I joined the Navy they turned me into a human pin cushion, and I had no choice. I choose to now because I've spent many years in 3rd world countries and seen what preventable disease does.
Someone who is at the extreme-left will perceive someone who is fairly objective and centrist to be "far to the right of me."
Someone who is at the extreme-right will perceive someone who is fairly objective and centrist to be "far to the left of me."
Of course, both of those statements are factually correct. But they presume the position of the observer to be the "true" position.
And that's an issue if you're trying to have rational discourse.
Going back to my earlier post, this is exactly the same as the "To a liberal, anything which you support is morally correct..." problem, just with a different color logo stuck on it.
Funny you mention that. I'm from Texas. Most of my friends and family in Texas consider me to be a Left wing liberal hippy nutjob. Most of my friends and family in Japan call me a far right gun happy nutjob. The Overton window is a bitch.
Funny you mention that. I'm from Texas. Most of my friends and family in Texas consider me to be a Left wing liberal hippy nutjob. Most of my friends and family in Japan call me a far right gun happy nutjob. The Overton window is a bitch.
Exactly.
I routinely have people who are far-left accuse me of being a Republican / Trump supporter / etc. And, more recently, people at the far-right have been accusing me of being a liberal / Biden supporter / etc.
I consider this to constitute external validation that I'm doing a reasonably good job of opposing all anti-Liberty agendas, from all sides.
I routinely have people who are far-left accuse me of being a Republican / Trump supporter / etc. And, more recently, people at the far-right have been accusing me of being a liberal / Biden supporter / etc.
I consider this to constitute external validation that I'm doing a reasonably good job of opposing all anti-Liberty agendas, from all sides.
None of that applies if you're not centered in reality. That's one reason why the "feelings" crowd always seems to get things wrong. I don't care what ppl think if their concerns have no basis in reality.
None of that applies if you're not centered in reality. That's one reason why the "feelings" crowd always seems to get things wrong. I don't care what ppl think if their concerns have no basis in reality.
I'm trying to decide whether the word "centered" in this case is used in a political context (eg: as compared to left or right), or merely as a synonym for "grounded."
In either case, I'm curious to know whether you think this applies to me specifically, or more broadly to all people who are not fervently adherent to some specific combination of fears and prejudices?
Perhaps I missed something while being on vacation for 2 weeks.
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH BRAINEACK's posts?????????
Did he go off the deep end?
He has pretty much restricted his Miata-related content to the Facebook account, and reserves the forum to post about THE VACCINE, COVID-19, and Freedoms.
No, it doesn't prevent you from catching it. No, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it.
This is exactly why Biden's mandate wasn't strong enough!!! We must test ALL federal employees and contractors daily! We must test the vaccinated from the virus they are vaccinated against to protect the vaccinated because the vaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated as well.
In fact, we should shut down the federal government and send everyone home to protect the vaccinated from the vaccinated.
Once everyone is vaccinated from the virus the vaccinated will be protected.
Perhaps I missed something while being on vacation for 2 weeks.
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH BRAINEACK's posts?????????
Did he go off the deep end?
A bit further off of it, yes.
Here's a scary one. I take this as evidence of how the US is slipping closer and closer to the sort of community-embraced authoritarianism which defined a certain northern European region in the mid 20th century.
I don't even bother making assumptions about the political affiliations of the parties involved. Fear and groupthink are really starting to worm their way into reality.
Florida landlord says tenants must get coronavirus vaccine: ‘You don’t want to get vaccinated? You have to move.’
Tenants wishing to renew their leases must now show proof of vaccination, landlord Santiago A. Alvarez told The Post. Employees who decline to get the vaccine will be terminated, he added. (Santiago A. Alvarez)
By Andrea Salcedo
Sep 15, 2021
Jasmine Irby was leaving her two-bedroom apartment in South Florida last month when she noticed a letter from the management company taped to her door.
It read: “As of August 15th, all new tenants must show proof of vaccination before moving in. … Existing tenants must show proof of vaccination before leases are renewed.” The policy, the notice stated, also applied to building employees.
Irby, a security guard who had lived in the Lauderhill, Fla., building for the past two years, was appalled, she told The Washington Post. Irby, 28, had planned to renew her lease by the end of August, but she did not intend to get the coronavirus vaccine.
After unsuccessful negotiations with the management company and her landlord, Santiago A. Alvarez, Irby filed a complaint with the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services demanding that she be allowed to renew her lease “without having to disclose my personal health information.”The letter about the vaccine requirement was posted onIrby’s door as Florida began to grapple with a surge of coronavirus infections attributable to the highly transmissible delta variant. To date, more than 65 percent of Florida residents have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine, according to The Post’s vaccine tracker.
Although Gov. Ron DeSantis was vaccinated in April, the Republican has said that getting immunized is a personal choice that should be left to individuals. DeSantis has pushed against mask and vaccination mandates in businesses and schools. He has also issued executive orders banning businesses and government entities from requiring proof of vaccination.
Alvarez’s policy, which was first reported by the South Florida Sun Sentinel, tests the boundaries of DeSantis’s orders as some businesses in the state attempt to enact their own coronavirus policies to combat the surge in cases. The Biden administration has urged officials in states with low vaccination rates to take a stricter stand on vaccine and mask mandates.
Irby’s attorney drafted a letter that was sent to Alvarez alleging he is violating the governor’s executive order forbidding businesses from requiring “patrons or customers” to provide proof of vaccination.
Tenants wishing to renew their leases must now show proof of vaccination, Alvarez said, though he added that he is willing to allow more time for some long-term residents to meet the requirement. Employees who decline to get the vaccine will be terminated, Alvarez said.
After recovering from covid-19 earlier this year, recently losing two friends from virus complications, and learning that at least a dozen of his tenants have died of the illness, Alvarez — who owns about 1,200 units in Broward and Miami Dade counties — said he is not willing to compromise the health of his vaccinated employees and tenants for those unwilling to get immunized.
“It very much upsets me that my employees are exposed to [covid-19] all days of the week because there is someone who does not want to get vaccinated,” Alvarez, 80, told The Post. “If you don’t want to get vaccinated, I have the obligation and the duty to protect my workers and tenants.”
His attorney, Juan C. Zorrilla, told The Post his client is not violating the governor’s order because tenants are not “customers or patrons” and Alvarez is not providing a service to them. Alvarez, who is willing to make exceptions for those who choose not to get vaccinated for religious or medical reasons, is not violating any other state law or county ordinance, Zorrilla added.
A spokeswoman for the governor’s office told The Post in an email that “the law is very clear,” adding that the Department of Health will issue $5,000 fines to businesses, government entities and educational institutions that require proof of vaccination. The law goes into effect Thursday.
Alvarez “can’t require vaccine passports as a condition of entry or service,” Christina Pushaw, a spokeswoman for DeSantis, told The Post.
When vaccines were not yet widely available in the United States, Alvarez said, it was difficult to learn of a tenant dying from the virus — though in a way, it felt inevitable.
But all of that changed, Alvarez said, when vaccines were approved and people could choose to protect themselves and members of their communities.
By early August, Alvarez said he’d had enough of DeSantis’s comments and orders against vaccine and mask mandates. So he drafted the policy and issued letters to his nearly 70 employees, giving them until Aug. 15 to get the first dose of the vaccineor face termination. Two declined to get vaccinated and walked away from the job, Alvarez said.
Then, he sent tenants a letter encouraging them to get immunized as soon as possible. New tenants, the letter stated, must also show proof of vaccination as of Aug. 15. Those wishing to renew their leases were told to do the same.
“You don’t want to get vaccinated? You have to move,” Alvarez told The Post. “And if you don’t move, one must move forward with eviction.”
He added: “It’s a lack of consideration for your neighbor, it’s a lack of consideration to their own families, to their children.”
Alvarez said most of his tenants and employees have praised him for putting the policy in place.
Irby, whose lease ended on Aug. 31, vacated the premises at the end of the month and moved in with her brother.
“No one wants to live anywhere where they are not wanted … If that’s the case, then I might as well get out,” Irby told The Post. “It was just best that I walked away.
I simple don't understand why anyone would refuse the vaccine at this point in time.
It doesn't prevent you from getting covid, spreading covid, being hospitalized from covid, dying from covid, with all added potential benefits of side effects/death from the shot, and a free donut a day from Krispy Kreme.
Evidence and metrics demonstrate that the Covid-19 vaccine works. No, it doesn't prevent you from catching it. No, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it.
Your second and third sentences kind of DIRECTLY contradict your first sentence. Or at least they do depending on how we define “works”?
I’ll go with the definition that we’ve used for every other vaccine ever developed in the history of vaccines prior to 2019. By that definition, the vaccine doesn’t really work, does it? And mandating an experimental vaccine that doesn’t really work to people that don’t really need it (99%+ survival rate, small chance of serious symptoms) seems a bit odd to me…
You are correct, Covid isn’t going away. Where you appear to be wrong is that you assume if 100% of the population were vaccinated (with the current crop of experimental vaccines), Covid would go away. I think Israel is proof enough that is unlikely to be the case.
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Reason: Cuz I posted from a phone and that causes typos
fascism...is by definition a far right political stance.
This is a problem that I've been seeing pop up more and more in the last half-decade or so; many leftists, especially fascist leftists, have decided that fascism must be a far right political stance as a means to justify their fascism. Fascism has little to nothing to do with the "far-right" outside of popular case studies highlighting the most "successful" fascist regimes. (See Mussolini, Franco). Because of this (and many other complications,) "fascism" has been exceptionally difficult for scholars to define. It has become even more clouded in recent times as fascist groups gain popularity under the guise of "eliminating fascism" - the group Antifa (Short for Anti-fascist) is one such group who has more or less successfully deflected attention to their fascist activities by literally calling themselves "anti-fascist". Unfortunately, I don't think using fascism as a means of combating fascism makes you anti-fascist.
The definition of fascism that I'll agree to (and which you, I suspect, will justifiably disagree on) is this: Fascism is the ideology that what a person believes to be true and right must ultimately be true and right, and the conviction that they may or should bestow their enlightenment upon others or defeat dissent using any means necessary.
By this definition, many religions have been fascist at some point in their history. In today's world, social justice warriors are often borderline fascist, and both major political parties have fascist undertones.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the assertion is that it's fascist to mandate vaccines, yes? I fail to see how. Firstly, it meets none of the criteria that defines fascism which is by definition a far right political stance. But aside from that, mandatory vaccines have been established as constitutional since the early 1900s IIRC. Evidence and metrics demonstrate that the Covid-19 vaccine works. No, it doesn't prevent you from catching it. No, it doesn't prevent you from spreading it. Yes, it greatly lowers your odds of dying from it. If one wants to go live in the woods by themselves and not get ANY vaccines, that's fine but for those of us that understand that we live in a society and my right to swing my arms ends where it meets another's face, it's a no-brainer. I don't want to see anyone dying from Covid. I'm as sick of the toll it's taken on our lives and the economy as anyone else. But Covid isn't going to just magically go away. It's here, it's spreading, and it's potentially lethal to many people. Maybe YOU will be fine without the vaccine, but many others won't and I personally don't want that weighing on my conscience that I may have spread it to someone who died of it because I was so selfish as to not get a simple vaccination.
I grew up anti-vax. My parents were Christian Scientists. When I joined the Navy they turned me into a human pin cushion, and I had no choice. I choose to now because I've spent many years in 3rd world countries and seen what preventable disease does.
So if the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading it, why does it matter if a person is vaccinated or not? If an at risk group is worried they may die from it, go get the shot. Why force non risk groups to get it if its going to spread regardless?
So if the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading it, why does it matter if a person is vaccinated or not? If an at risk group is worried they may die from it, go get the shot. Why force non risk groups to get it if its going to spread regardless?
PEOPLE ARE GETTING TURNED AWAY FROM HOSPITAL BEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bigot.
THIS IS A HORRIBLE PANDEMIC LEAVING US SHORT STAFFED AND WITHOUT BEDS. WE MUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO PROTECT THE VACCINATED, INCLUDING FIRING QUALIFIED STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS A HORRIBLE PANDEMIC LEAVING US SHORT STAFFED AND WITHOUT BEDS.
The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected! get with it people.
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