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10-08-2021, 02:03 PM
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https://violationtracker.goodjobsfir.../parent/pfizer
https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer
pfizer is the definition of "big pharma" and shouldn't be trusted at all. Their pricing on can only be described as rape
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10-08-2021, 03:03 PM
Net benefit. At the end of the day, society as a whole is better off if every one gets the vaccine. Some will die because of the vaccine and many times more will be saved from it.
I know what my chances are from dying or getting a permanent side effect from the vaccine (<0.1%) than dying or getting a permanent side effect from covid (8-25% depending on several factors) and without a doubt chose the vaccine.
I know what my chances are from dying or getting a permanent side effect from the vaccine (<0.1%) than dying or getting a permanent side effect from covid (8-25% depending on several factors) and without a doubt chose the vaccine.
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10-08-2021, 03:05 PM
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Didn't J&J just resolve something with baby powder? DO you guys there in Greece have it on the shelf still? My wife is from Argentina and they still sell J&J baby powder over there even after admitting and paying for knowing it harmed people here.
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10-08-2021, 03:45 PM
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What he says from 2:30 to 3:12 is gold.
This is why I am against getting the covid jab. I am 49, already had it, and I'm positive my immunity level is better than any fake vaccine could ever produce and studies will prove this to be the case but obviously won't be allowed in this country.
Another doctor pointed out something that everyone knows but no one chooses to remember in all of this; there is no universal treatment that works 100% on the population. Because people are....... not created equal. Covid affects some and not others so why treat everyone the same. Why mandate a jab doesn't work? Reverant says it works because the data says so. When everything was locked down with no vax, there were more cases and more deaths. Now that everything is opened up and the vax available, there are less cases (by 25%) and much less deaths.
Reverant, this is an honest question and I am not being facetious; could it be that cases are lower because there is more natural immunity (since so many had it before the availability of the vax) and that the deaths are less since rather unfortunately, the most vulnerable have already passed away? Could this in your mind ever be a possibility?
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10-08-2021, 03:50 PM
Net benefit. At the end of the day, society as a whole is better off if every one gets the vaccine. Some will die because of the vaccine and many times more will be saved from it.
I know what my chances are from dying or getting a permanent side effect from the vaccine (<0.1%) than dying or getting a permanent side effect from covid (8-25% depending on several factors) and without a doubt chose the vaccine.
I know what my chances are from dying or getting a permanent side effect from the vaccine (<0.1%) than dying or getting a permanent side effect from covid (8-25% depending on several factors) and without a doubt chose the vaccine.
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10-08-2021, 04:07 PM
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Answering to all of the above, as it seems this is a recurring point.
Naturally immunity (ie the one you get after contracting covid) is NOT superior to the vaccine immunity. It has been proven and tested that it is wildly fluctuating, meaning that for *some* people it its good and for others it's totally trash. On average, it is much worse than the vaccine's immunity.
Lookup "natural immunity vs vaccine covid" and let me know what you find.
Naturally immunity (ie the one you get after contracting covid) is NOT superior to the vaccine immunity. It has been proven and tested that it is wildly fluctuating, meaning that for *some* people it its good and for others it's totally trash. On average, it is much worse than the vaccine's immunity.
Lookup "natural immunity vs vaccine covid" and let me know what you find.
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10-08-2021, 04:11 PM
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Reverant, this is an honest question and I am not being facetious; could it be that cases are lower because there is more natural immunity (since so many had it before the availability of the vax) and that the deaths are less since rather unfortunately, the most vulnerable have already passed away? Could this in your mind ever be a possibility?
About 6.2M are fully vaccinated.
About 600K have contracted covid.
Which do you think has more effect? 6.2M or 0.6M?
So, no. The natural immunity (which mind you, also declines over time, and many of the 0.6M cases were from last year) of 0.6M does not contribute as much as the immunity of 6.2M vaccinated.
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10-08-2021, 04:27 PM
Answering to all of the above, as it seems this is a recurring point.
Naturally immunity (ie the one you get after contracting covid) is NOT superior to the vaccine immunity. It has been proven and tested that it is wildly fluctuating, meaning that for *some* people it its good and for others it's totally trash. On average, it is much worse than the vaccine's immunity.
Lookup "natural immunity vs vaccine covid" and let me know what you find.
Naturally immunity (ie the one you get after contracting covid) is NOT superior to the vaccine immunity. It has been proven and tested that it is wildly fluctuating, meaning that for *some* people it its good and for others it's totally trash. On average, it is much worse than the vaccine's immunity.
Lookup "natural immunity vs vaccine covid" and let me know what you find.
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10-08-2021, 04:37 PM
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Greece has a population of roughly 11M.
About 6.2M are fully vaccinated.
About 600K have contracted covid.
Which do you think has more effect? 6.2M or 0.6M?
So, no. The natural immunity (which mind you, also declines over time, and many of the 0.6M cases were from last year) of 0.6M does not contribute as much as the immunity of 6.2M vaccinated.
About 6.2M are fully vaccinated.
About 600K have contracted covid.
Which do you think has more effect? 6.2M or 0.6M?
So, no. The natural immunity (which mind you, also declines over time, and many of the 0.6M cases were from last year) of 0.6M does not contribute as much as the immunity of 6.2M vaccinated.
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10-09-2021, 08:17 AM
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Posting graphs or statistics without knowing ANYTHING else is not a good idea. Here's why.
Last year, we had 2500-4000 cases per day with full lockdowns, mask mandates inside or out. And about 80-120 deaths per day. Right now, there is no lock down, and a mask mandate only inside closed areas, except restaurants. Daily cases are now 2000-2500 despite almost no measures, and daily deaths 35-40.
Percentage of patients in ICUs that are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated: 86%. Fully vaccinated: 14%.
Last year, we had 2500-4000 cases per day with full lockdowns, mask mandates inside or out. And about 80-120 deaths per day. Right now, there is no lock down, and a mask mandate only inside closed areas, except restaurants. Daily cases are now 2000-2500 despite almost no measures, and daily deaths 35-40.
Percentage of patients in ICUs that are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated: 86%. Fully vaccinated: 14%.
80% vax rate.
I can't even imagine what their numbers would be without that +20% reduction rate...
That mask mandate is KILLING IT!!!!
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10-09-2021, 09:09 AM
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"The vaccines have worked to keep most of the population out of the hospital, with 98.4 percent of cases presenting mild or no symptoms. The deaths have occurred mostly in seniors, usually with comorbidities, and account for 0.2 percent of the cases over the past 28 days. But the shots cannot protect against infection, especially when up against the Delta variant, Mr. Wong said."
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10-09-2021, 09:13 AM
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Rev, I have never, not once, anywhere, read there is an 8-25% chance of dying or getting a permanent side effect from COVID. Do you have a link?
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10-09-2021, 09:33 AM
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https://time.com/6073522/long-covid-prevalence/
SARS-CoV-2 infection can leave some people with heart problems, including inflammation of the heart muscle. In fact, one study showed that 60% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had signs of ongoing heart inflammation:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...cts-of-covid19
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10-09-2021, 09:56 AM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
That transmission reduction rate is STELLAR!
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
That transmission reduction rate is STELLAR!
The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants. Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates. Such course correction, especially with regards to the policy narrative, becomes paramount with emerging scientific evidence on real world effectiveness of the vaccines.
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10-09-2021, 10:00 AM
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SARS-CoV-2 infection can leave some people with heart problems, including inflammation of the heart muscle. In fact, one study showed that 60% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had signs of ongoing heart inflammation:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...cts-of-covid19
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...cts-of-covid19
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10-09-2021, 10:04 AM
Somehow other parts of the world have discovered Ivermectin and other therapies, and they're doing quite well, considering their limited access to our top-flight health care and world-class media. What's known as "horse paste" in America--the stuff that will get your fired from your hospital job despite the pandemic--is actually used as a prophylaxis in India and Indonesia, with stunning success.
This is a lab-grown superflu and it's real. But it's also just a flu. If you know what to take and when to take it, you'll be fine.
Zelenko protocol
This is a lab-grown superflu and it's real. But it's also just a flu. If you know what to take and when to take it, you'll be fine.
Zelenko protocol
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