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.....pretty sure the point was that as vaccinations increased, cases should decrease - without it turning around yet again...
Or better yet... herd immunity was 70% or more of (vax or natural inoculation recovery)
Oh wait, only achieved via vaccination of 70%
Oh wait, only once vaccination is over 80%
Oh wait, only once vaccination is over 90% <-----you are here?
Oh wait, only once vaccination is over 100%
Every state/county has that same spike in Delta starting in Sept. Your county is not special. Your vaccination rate is not helping the current upswing across the nation, if it was it would be staying flat but now a new variant is running around and you're not protected from it.
As i illustrated, the rate of cases, right now, not this past summer, is increasing at a much rapid rate in states with higher vaccination rates.
I used to weight 190lbs in jan of 2020. By Oct i was 147. Today I'm 155. I don't claim I'm 43lbs lighter today. In fact, i actually consider myself 8lbs heavier and should lose the fat...
Where did I say it was? I've already agreed with you that this is a load of bullshit that keeps being forced on us.
We never stopped living. I suspect you didn't either, thankfully we are all in the top 10% so it hasn't really impacted us. Other than not needing to make a reservation for brunch at the nice places on Sunday.
I was probably 170 at the beginning of 2021, peaked at 185 a month ago, and now getting under 180. Granted, much has been upper body muscle with increased beef consumption, housework, and toddlers getting heavy. Sadly... the handles got some of the share as well.
Your vaccination rate is not helping the current upswing across the nation, if it was it would be staying flat
It would drop and remain flat if the vaccine was 100% effective.
It is not, and you are purposely trying to avoid that fact. The vaccines were ~90 effective against transmission against the original virus. With delta, that dropped to 80%. With omicron, it seems that drops down to a staggering 30% for two doses and 49% for 3 doses, but the protection against serious disease is still very high at 73% (latest data as of yesterday).
So to me, it seems the biggest issue with vaccines is that you fail to understand how they work. They:
a) Prevent transmission as the immune system fights off the virus earlier and in a more effective way, so the host doesn't have a viral load to shed off.
b) Prevent serious disease
c) Prevent death
These are three different things that the vaccine accomplishes. The rate for these are DIFFERENT. They are different for each different vaccine, they are different for each variant, all else being equal.
I can't emphasize enough that if you don't understand the above, you will always think that "vaccines either work or they don't". Which is completely false. They work in different degrees based on a number of factors.
Now, if we continue to not protect ourselves with all the means we have at out disposal, the virus will continue to find new hosts to replicate, and with every new significant infection, there is the risk of a new mutation. Hello pi, rho, sigma, tau, ipsilon, phi, che, psi, omega. Rinse, repeat.
So to me, it seems the biggest issue with vaccines is that you fail to understand how they work. They:
a) Prevent transmission as the immune system fights off the virus earlier and in a more effective way, so the host doesn't have a viral load to shed off.
b) Prevent serious disease
c) Prevent death
Now, if we continue to not protect ourselves with all the means we have at out disposal, the virus will continue to find new hosts to replicate, and with every new significant infection, there is the risk of a new mutation. Hello pi, rho, sigma, tau, ipsilon, phi, che, psi, omega. Rinse, repeat.
It appears you are just being dense for the sake of being dense, are brainwashed by the media, or are just an evil person that enjoys the current atmosphere.
Ivermectin and HCQ are not being used in "first world countries" and these have been shown to do A,B,C on your list. Should we call these treatments VACCINES? Are these not means we have available?
So to me, it seems the biggest issue with vaccines is that you fail to understand how they work. They:
a) Prevent transmission as the immune system fights off the virus earlier and in a more effective way, so the host doesn't have a viral load to shed off.
b) Prevent serious disease
c) Prevent death
These are three different things that the vaccine accomplishes. The rate for these are DIFFERENT. They are different for each different vaccine, they are different for each variant, all else being equal.
I can't emphasize enough that if you don't understand the above, you will always think that "vaccines either work or they don't". Which is completely false. They work in different degrees based on a number of factors.
Now, if we continue to not protect ourselves with all the means we have at out disposal, the virus will continue to find new hosts to replicate, and with every new significant infection, there is the risk of a new mutation. Hello pi, rho, sigma, tau, ipsilon, phi, che, psi, omega. Rinse, repeat.
But the vaccine doesn't accomplish A. Astronaut: It never did.
My issue has always been about pointless laws, rules, policies, as well as, moving goalposts (like people making excuses for the vaccine failures),since the roll out of the vaccines since I've already stated a few times they seem to do a decent job in keeping unhealthy people still alive if/when they become infected with covid that their vaccine doesn't prevent them from getting.
Since the vaccine doesn't prevent the spread, nor does it prevent you from getting covid, none of what we are doing across the globe makes any LOGICAL sense.
Shutting down the entire world for 2 months did stop the spread -- as soon as we came back together cases skyrocketed again.
Masks don't work whatsoever in preventing the spread.
Sending infected elderly into nursing homes didn't work.
Wearing a mask into a restaurant, then taking it off a few steps into the establishment doesn't work.
The vaccines didn't stop the spread -- all evidence suggests they make the spread worse.
ESPN has clearly showed up that not only do covid bubbles and strict protocols don't work, but healthy athletes getting covid means you miss a game or two -- not based on symptoms, but just because that's the rule.
Passports dont prevent the spread, since vaccinated people still spread and catch covid.
Demonizing/banning treatments for those who happened to get infected while other countries find much success in them didn't work.
so again, go ahead and get vaccinated if you're in a high-risk group, or you're afraid regardless, but don't continue to push a bunch of bullshit on everyone like if we get to 100% then we will all be safe. Because we both know that's not true. There's no evidence to suggest the vaccine reduces transmission, therefore, my vaccination status has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on yours -- except it seems that if I'm vaccinated I'm more of a risk to spreading it around instead of my immune system killing it off for everyone around me.
The variants are in response to the vaccine.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that of the 43 COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variants, 34 people were fully vaccinated. Of those fully vaccinated, 14 people had received their booster shots but five of those received their additional shots less than 14 days.
Only 8 people were unvaccinated who got infected with the Omicron variants and 1 person has status unknown.
It would drop and remain flat if the vaccine was 100% effective.
It is not, and you are purposely trying to avoid that fact. The vaccines were ~90 effective against transmission against the original virus. With delta, that dropped to 80%. With omicron, it seems that drops down to a staggering 30% for two doses and 49% for 3 doses, but the protection against serious disease is still very high at 73% (latest data as of yesterday).
So to me, it seems the biggest issue with vaccines is that you fail to understand how they work. They:
a) Prevent transmission as the immune system fights off the virus earlier and in a more effective way, so the host doesn't have a viral load to shed off.
b) Prevent serious disease
c) Prevent death
These are three different things that the vaccine accomplishes. The rate for these are DIFFERENT. They are different for each different vaccine, they are different for each variant, all else being equal.
I can't emphasize enough that if you don't understand the above, you will always think that "vaccines either work or they don't". Which is completely false. They work in different degrees based on a number of factors.
Now, if we continue to not protect ourselves with all the means we have at out disposal, the virus will continue to find new hosts to replicate, and with every new significant infection, there is the risk of a new mutation. Hello pi, rho, sigma, tau, ipsilon, phi, che, psi, omega. Rinse, repeat.
And just to clarify all of these........... a, b, and c can only be verified via a continuing control group. Whooops! Those don't even exist anymore. Unblinded December 2020, and placebo recipients rushed to get their injections completed. Scientifically - no control group, how can you prove that it was the vaccines that are reducing serious disease, death, and spread vs... natural immunity kicking in (you know, for all the MILLIONS of people that got it and recovered - not to mention the LACK of studies on that group - weird), or the virus is simply becoming less deadly (as it has just about every time in the past)?
You can't. Follow the science ended when that happened. There is no control group, therefor long term research has stopped. Everything else is anecdotal (unless of course you round up people again by age group, background, etc jabbed and un-experimented-on, and actually compare).
In the end, the ONLY reason, the ONLY people that will be able to hold ANYONE accountable for this experiment is the group that's receiving the peak demonization during this time - the unjabbed. The UNJABBED are the actually scientific group. They are following science. They are making sure that if ANYTHING goes wrong this year, next year, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, they can be like "hey that's odd, it's not happening to me???" If the world was 100% jabbed, you would then have NOTHING to compare to, and as such the manufacturers/politicians/elites/etc would no longer be blamable.
What happened to the Indian-variant-errrr-Delta? Looks like when India's issue started disappearing with the "I-word", the term became the delta-variant. Odd. So many "odd" things happening. It's so... "weird."
You can't. Follow the science ended when that happened. There is no control group, therefor long term research has stopped. Everything else is anecdotal (unless of course you round up people again by age group, background, etc jabbed and un-experimented-on, and actually compare).
In the end, the ONLY reason, the ONLY people that will be able to hold ANYONE accountable for this experiment is the group that's receiving the peak demonization during this time - the unjabbed. The UNJABBED are the actually scientific group. They are following science. They are making sure that if ANYTHING goes wrong this year, next year, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, they can be like "hey that's odd, it's not happening to me???" If the world was 100% jabbed, you would then have NOTHING to compare to, and as such the manufacturers/politicians/elites/etc would no longer be blamable.
What happened to the Indian-variant-errrr-Delta? Looks like when India's issue started disappearing with the "I-word", the term became the delta-variant. Odd. So many "odd" things happening. It's so... "weird."
Yep, you can't follow the science when there's no data to support it, and even the pro-vaxxers are starting to realize that the lack of data is not an accident.
If it was true that the unvaccinated are causing the variants, wouldn't the areas with low vaccination rates be the epicenter of multiple different variants starting all over? Wouldnt we already be through the current alphabet naming system and move on to another?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a virus will mutate to infect it's unvaccinated host, when nothing has changed vs not mutate when a vaccine has blocked the original path to infection.....
If it was true that the unvaccinated are causing the variants, wouldn't the areas with low vaccination rates be the epicenter of multiple different variants starting all over? Wouldnt we already be through the current alphabet naming system and move on to another?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a virus will mutate to infect it's unvaccinated host, when nothing has changed vs not mutate when a vaccine has blocked the original path to infection.....
because hundreds of years of data/science on vaccines/infectious diseases all got thrown out the window when this coronavirus came to town...
this is exactly why you don't vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic, because the virus WILL mutate to overcome the vaccination rendering it useless. Oh and that's exactly what happened! And what was our response? double/triple down on a worthless vaccine that is ineffective against the mutated strains and villainize naysayers.
Try not to wrap it around your head. Remember the old adage about "antibiotics and anti-xyz are going to breed new superviruses, etc. .....so use them only as necessary." Aka... minimize their use. The machine went Oprah with this bug.
Cornell's vaccination rate is 97%. Lol. And the unvaccinated students will still be blamed for sickening the idiots who thought a vaccine would protect them...
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